Your feelings and ideas concerning President Trump

[Moat]

Ok let's get to the bottom of this.

Why does the World at this time have a refugee crisis?

It's actually really simple, and quite obvious if you think a bit about it;

The world is vastly overpopulated, and there is "less" - of everything - to go around. Simple as that.

Virtually every serious challenge currently facing mankind is a direct result of that overpopulation. Immigration, unemployment, terrorism, poverty, crime, economic challenges, ecology/pollution, energy, etc - ad nauseam. Desperate, poverty-stricken people from such overpopulated, resource-deprived regions do desperate things. Like fight. Or flight.

I see the entire, long-present and seemingly worsening division of political parties (left/right, Democrat/Republican) here in the US as predominantly a result of the continuing, growing frustration among citizens over our seeming inability to regain the level of post-war (WWII) prosperity that we enjoyed for so very long (and recall enjoying!). Prosperity here has been on a long, slow decline - and as administration after administration fails to effectively stem the decline, the frustration grows and grows - the populous' swings get wider and wilder. Hence... Trump.

But the truth is... that level of prosperity ain't gonna happen, ever again (unless we significantly reduce our numbers). The population of the earth (and of the USA) has almost tripled since the end of WWII... astounding, frightening, if you think about it. And, again - the wealth of natural bounty that any region/country upon which we live provides - farm/food, mineral, energy/oil/coal/etc, timber, etc - and the goods/services/jobs/industry that spring from that bounty - all of that, today, has to be spread over a far larger number of people. Less to go around.

Our political differences are driven by a "glass half empty" mentality, about something that's essentially irresolvable (well, umm... almost, anyway...). It's pure idiocy. Instead of pointing our fingers at the "other side", we'd be much better off pointing at that clump of flesh dangling between our legs and instead, get to actually moving forward with a "glass half full" way of looking at things.

Of which needs to include - somehow - getting the world population under control... and very soon. That is an absolute must, IMHO - or we'll all just continue the downward spiral - bailing and bitchin' away as this grossly overloaded ship sinks.

My way of seeing things, anyway.

One of our forum members wrote an excellent blog a few years back, about overpopulation... Prehistoric, maybe? Can't remember...

Bob

[belham2]

Ok let's get to the bottom of this.

Why does the World at this time have a refugee crisis?

It's actually really simple, and quite obvious if you think a bit about it;

The world is vastly overpopulated, and there is "less" - of everything - to go around. Simple as that.

Virtually every serious challenge currently facing mankind is a direct result of that overpopulation. Immigration, unemployment, terrorism, poverty, crime, economic challenges, ecology/pollution, energy, etc - ad nauseam. Desperate, poverty-stricken people from such overpopulated, resource-deprived regions do desperate things. Like fight. Or flight.

I see the entire, long-present and seemingly worsening division of political parties (left/right, Democrat/Republican) here in the US as predominantly a result of the continuing, growing frustration among citizens over our seeming inability to regain the level of post-war (WWII) prosperity that we enjoyed for so very long (and recall enjoying!). Prosperity here has been on a long, slow decline - and as administration after administration fails to effectively stem the decline, the frustration grows and grows - the populous' swings get wider and wilder. Hence... Trump.

But the truth is... that level of prosperity ain't gonna happen, ever again (unless we significantly reduce our numbers). The population of the earth (and of the USA) has almost tripled since the end of WWII... astounding, frightening, if you think about it. And, again - the wealth of natural bounty that any region/country upon which we live provides - farm/food, mineral, energy/oil/coal/etc, timber, etc - and the goods/services/jobs/industry that spring from that bounty - all of that, today, has to be spread over a far larger number of people. Less to go around.

Our political differences are driven by a "glass half empty" mentality, about something that's essentially irresolvable (well, umm... almost, anyway...). It's pure idiocy. Instead of pointing our fingers at the "other side", we'd be much better off pointing at that clump of flesh dangling between our legs and instead, get to actually moving forward with a "glass half full" way of looking at things.

Of which needs to include - somehow - getting the world population under control... and very soon. That is an absolute must, IMHO - or we'll all just continue the downward spiral - bailing and bitchin' away as this grossly overloaded ship sinks.

My way of seeing things, anyway.

One of our forum members wrote an excellent blog a few years back, about overpopulation... Prehistoric, maybe? Can't remember...

Bob

@Bob, some would construe that as a manifesto, lol, for the beginning of a WWIII...as in: need the head count reduced, people!

Quite possibly a mini and/or max Pandora's epidemic is coming and head count is going to resolve itself while we all sh!t bricks at walking outside our homes. What's ironic about this whole thing is that just the USA alone, in what the average American consumes in daily calories and also what all America overall throws away every day, enough food is wasted to feed, at conservative estimates, ~1.5-2 billion people a day. You add fellow fatty nations like the U.K., Germany, Italy, Etc, etc, well, you get the picture. Head count (or a lack of resources) really isn't the problem, especially given that if you took the world's roughly ~7 billion people, there is enough room the heart of America for all of them to each have a 1/2 acre, and the rest of the world would be empty. Think about that for a second...... Head count/resources/perceptions of such, are logistical problems, plain and simple. But many people, and leaders, will use them as a ruse and excuse for other aims & a means to their end/agenda. Humans, sadly as time has shown since we first grouped together, have a way of using specious arguments to buttress a set of beliefs----this is true even when those arguments have no basis in fact.

[Burn_IT]

The grass always used to be greener on the other side of the street!!

I think the problem partly stems from the modern culture of "I want!" and I don't want to work for it.

There is quite a lot of comments from the younger generation in this country asking why old people should get "benefits" (not necessarily monetary) and they can't understand that those people have worked and paid taxes for many years. My nieces want me to cash my pension pot and give it to them so they can live it up a little. I have just removed them from my will.

[Moat]

@Bob, some would construe that as a manifesto, lol, for the beginning of a WWIII...

Nah... if we could just keep our John Thomas' tucked away for, say, 60 years or so, and... POOF! - problem solved.

Attrition.

Bob

[tlchost]

@Bob, some would construe that as a manifesto, lol, for the beginning of a WWIII...

Nah... if we could just keep our John Thomas' tucked away for, say, 60 years or so, and... POOF! - problem solved.

Ah Ha, finally a justification for spending lots of time in front of of a computer monitor!

[belham2]

@Bob, some would construe that as a manifesto, lol, for the beginning of a WWIII...

Nah... if we could just keep our John Thomas' tucked away for, say, 60 years or so, and... POOF! - problem solved.

Attrition.

Bob

LOL!!!

[musher0]

@Bob, some would construe that as a manifesto, lol, for the beginning of a WWIII...

Nah... if we could just keep our John Thomas' tucked away for, say, 60 years or so, and... POOF! - problem solved.

Attrition.

Bob

LOL!!!

And then all species left in Nature will meet at sort of a
"Natural Kingdom UN" meeting and pass an unanimous
vote asking mollusks to write on Humanity's grave:

"Phew.
That was close.
Good riddance."

And it will get done.

BFN.

[musher0]

It's not just me...

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/02/ ... m_medium=3

[belham2]

I feel robbed, or, rather, maybe 'empty' is the better term (and maybe a little bit apprehensive given Trump & his people's attack-dog nature):

But over the past several days...

.....why has there been no 'earth-shattering' news out of Trump D.C. and/or the media that covers them? They are 'at war', are they not? Have the sides set an agreed-upon truce? Or, GASP, is Trump still there? In power? Or has Bannon & Miller locked him permanently in the closet without his Twitter phone and/or no ability to hold hagiographic-salutation press conferences??

[Moat]

.....why has there been no 'earth-shattering' news out of Trump D.C. and/or the media that covers them? They are 'at war', are they not?

What (admittedly little) I've heard/seen makes it seem like he's working away on making as much an "enemy" of the established, experienced people in Washington (some within his own party), as he has of his "enemy of the people" - the media. Basically, discovering he's completely out of his league (i.e. - politically lost), and not able to get much, if anything meaningful, accomplished.

I'd not be at all surprised if some of his childish future tweets revolve around bitch!ng about that, or some such.

An unexpectedly Lame Duck-ish president, maybe?

Bob

[musher0]

Hello all.

Reading some of those UPI news again today, it seems that VP Mike
Spence and some experienced Republican senators have started giving
conferences and speeches in support of Trump's program.

Speaking from the Canadian side of the border, we are starting to see
actual refugees coming in from the USA. i don't know if they are latinos
or Middle-Eastern, Radio-Canada didn't say.

There is a popular movement here to suspend the Safe Haven Accord we
have with the USA until the USA stops chasing down its "illegals" and
"aliens".

That would enable those fleeing the USA to enter any Canadian border
station and ask directly for refugee status in Canada. If they do that
while the present Accord is enforced, they will be turned back.

With the Accord in force, they are instead forced to bypass the border
posts, crossing the border through fields and forests and entering Canada
"illegally". Then international law applies -- not the Accord -- and we have
to take them in and give them refugee status.

The Canadian gov. has voted to give them refugee status anyway, but a
few lives and limbs may be saved if the "Safe Haven Accord" is repelled
for the time being. (The Canadian winter is merciless for those coming in
from warmer climates without warm coats, mittens, tuques and boots.)

We haven't seen such an influx from the US since the Viet-Nam war
draft-dodgers asked Canada for refuge in the late 1960's.

May God forgive Trump. Sheltered as he always has been by his riches,
he probably hasn't got a clue of the hardship that his policies are inflicting
on already poor people, whatever their race.

BFN.

[bark_bark_bark]

Sheltered as he always has been by his riches,
he probably hasn't got a clue of the hardship that his policies are inflicting
on already poor people, whatever their race.

This +1

[belham2]

Hello all.

Reading some of those UPI news again today, it seems that VP Mike
Spence and some experienced Republican senators have started giving
conferences and speeches in support of Trump's program.

Speaking from the Canadian side of the border, we are starting to see
actual refugees coming in from the USA. i don't know if they are latinos
or Middle-Eastern, Radio-Canada didn't say.

There is a popular movement here to suspend the Safe Haven Accord we
have with the USA until the USA stops chasing down its "illegals" and
"aliens".

That would enable those fleeing the USA to enter any Canadian border
station and ask directly for refugee status in Canada. If they do that
while the present Accord is enforced, they will be turned back.

With the Accord in force, they are instead forced to bypass the border
posts, crossing the border through fields and forests and entering Canada
"illegally". Then international law applies -- not the Accord -- and we have
to take them in and give them refugee status.

The Canadian gov. has voted to give them refugee status anyway, but a
few lives and limbs may be saved if the "Safe Haven Accord" is repelled
for the time being. (The Canadian winter is merciless for those coming in
from warmer climates without warm coats, mittens, tuques and boots.)

We haven't seen such an influx from the US since the Viet-Nam war
draft-dodgers asked Canada for refuge in the late 1960's.

May God forgive Trump. Sheltered as he always has been by his riches,
he probably hasn't got a clue of the hardship that his policies are inflicting
on already poor people, whatever their race.

BFN.

Musher,

Maybe this is a secret plan by our ruling American aristocrat class to finally legitimately send huge number of Americans into the Great White North so that some day soon you'll all be speaking American-slang and craving McDonalds & Chipottle. As the Borgs in their Cube would say, "resistence is futile".

Just joking ya



P.S. I've been playing with your Puduan 6.0 all afternoon trying to figure out how you built it....did you use LFS or woof or ????? I need hints, lol, thus was looking at it. Getting this woof-CE Debian Jessie 64 pup build to run completely thru the build process is confusing this monkey brain of mine....

[musher0]

Yeah, I know you're joking!

(I will answer about the older Puduan Jessie build on the woof-CE
development thread a little later. Thanks for your understanding.)

[bigpup]

Seems Canada now needs a wall.
Maybe the United States will pay for it!

[bigpup]

It is not good that you can actually watch a speech that President Trump gives.

After the speech, go to a news network and listen to them tell you exactly the opposite of what you just listened to.

I think I will believe what I actually saw and listened to.!

What is all this news talk about he said this, but he could have said this or what if he did this or what if this happened or I think he said this, etc......

Most of the news in America has stopped being about the specific facts and turned into what if, could be, might be, should be, etc.......

[musher0]

Seems Canada now needs a wall.
Maybe the United States will pay for it!

Haha, very funny!

Do you think I could get across to you the point that the refugee situation
is hard for everyone?

If any country has refugees, it is because the situation in the neighboring
countries is very bad. The cause may be political or economic, it doesn't
matter.

I feel morally obliged as a member of the human race to give some kind
of help to anyone who knocks at my door asking for it for a valid reason.

Let's say for the sake of argument that the roof of my neighbor's house
across the street caves in because of the weight of the snow after the
last snow storm. It happens sometimes here, when the house is old and
has not been built to modern standards.

He comes to me asking for help. Should I turn him and his family away?
Of course not. If I personally cannot offer all the help he needs, I'll try to
find someone who can, the firemen perhaps, or the Red Cross.

Why can't countries react like a normal person with a heart? As a
civilization, we're supposed to have 2000 years of Christian charity behind
us. Ha!

Humanity at present has a refugee crisis worse than the displacement and
ultimately "shoah" of 6 million Jewish people during WW2. You can check
the numbers in countries taking Syrians in, such as Lebanon, Jordon and
Turkey.

Re-establishing peace in their homeland Syria is the solution to aim for,
but what do we do in the meantime?

Similarly for South-Americans, but for other reasons. Their economics are
difficult, but they are not faced with a civil war at present.

Do you have a human, humane and humanitarian suggestion to end or at
least alleviate this tragedy, or are you continuing to think "turn them
away". Even a temporary but respectful solution will do, IMO.

I'm listening.

Best regards.

[Burn_IT]

Ah but would you welcome your neighbour if he came because your wife is prettier or you have more comfortable beds because you worked for them.
I think, like a lot of people you would agree that there is a difference between accidental happennings and those that occur because of laziness or lack of care.
I think Trump would struggle in a normal (ie not priveleged) world. He behaves like the spoilt rich brat that he is.

[musher0]

Ah but would you welcome your neighbour if he came because your wife is prettier or you have more comfortable beds because you worked for them.
I think, like a lot of people you would agree that there is a difference between accidental happennings and those that occur because of laziness or lack of care.
I think Trump would struggle in a normal (ie not priveleged) world. He behaves like the spoilt rich brat that he is.

Hi, Burn_IT.

Yes there is a difference. But I'm not convinced a lazy person from say,
Sénégal, would endure all the hardships of the voyage to become a
refugee in Canada and pilfer on our welfare benefits. Because that
voyage would be too much work!

We have screenings and an immigration police to control anyone who
tries to abuse the system. As well, when the UNHCR (UN Refugee Agency)
recommends a family of refugees to a country, they've done their own
screening beforehand.

About "The Spoiled Rich Brat"... I wonder how he'd fare living the life of a
refugee under his own edicts -- even for a day.

I can't imagine him running away from the US border police on a cold,
windy and snowy day in the heart of winter, in a forest connecting the
State of Vermont and the Province of Quebec. His body would dissolve
from the effort. As to his soul, not sure he has one, so suspended
judgment on that one.

As to your wife being prettier than mine, I don't think that's possible !!!

BFN.

[belham2]

He behaves like the spoilt rich brat that he is.

I truly believe this is what bothers everybody (from the U.S. to around the world) about Trump. It's not his policies, though some in my opinion make your eyes roll, from his looney-bin status (the building of a wall) to constantly treating U.S. media as the source & problems of all issues in the USA and finally not fully explaining his immigration policies. What IS bothersome is his extremely thin-skin, as evidenced by his inability to stop himself on Twitter (and many times in person, ranting on about childish stuff). Many Americans, both Dems and Repubs, are trying to turn our heads and to let Trump see if he can change things up in D.C. and get different policies going than before. It's tough to do this, but the benefit of the doubt is still being given to Donald. Still, if he doesn't tame things down, there's going to come a point when his personal behavior as it exists has to stop. He is beginning to cause so much concern and embarrassment that Trump will eventually face the choice of either stopping it completely or they (the completel political establishment, and this means democrats and republicans) will find a legal way to move him out of office.

When you are leader of the world's richest nation, you don't act like Trump has been acting. As the leader, your skin should be so tough and impervious to ridicule, and your bearing & composure so assured and calm, that all words and both fire & ice could bounce off you to where you'd still calmly, with dignity, and grace, proceed forward trying to accomplish the objectives you said you would do in your campaign promises.

If Trump could do this, the narrative in the U.S. and around the world, completely changes about him. Not agreeing with policies is normal and nautral, but you cannot attack someone who in every situatiion holds themself with determined measuredness, calmness, dignity and grace. It is amazing Trump doesn't see and/or understand this