Your feelings and ideas concerning President Trump

[bigpup]

Well I know Trump basically treats the constitution as toilet paper.

Please give examples of President Trump not following the constitution of the US.

Please give examples of the police being told to not follow the laws of the US.

[bark_bark_bark]

Well I know Trump basically treats the constitution as toilet paper.

Please give examples of President Trump not following the constitution of the US.

The travel ban wasn't constitutional. Also, Trump has stated multiple times that he wants to basically put an end to free speech.

Please give examples of the police being told to not follow the laws of the US.

The police have repeatedly shot unarmed civilians and they constantly violate the fourth amendment.

[bigpup]

The travel ban wasn't constitutional.

That has not been decided.

The judge put a A temporary restraining order (TRO), which only stops it from being acted on, while the court hears all the facts and makes a decision.

A temporary restraining order (TRO) is a short-term civil order issued by a judge or magistrate in state or federal court. The order forbids a person from engaging in some threatened action against someone else (typically having contact with someone else).

TRO/Injunction Hearing. A temporary restraining order is valid for 90 days from the time the respondent is served with the TRO papers. If you want to extend the order, a TRO/Injunction hearing is required. The date and time of your TRO/Injunction hearing appears on your TRO.

[Burn_IT]

None of which stops him from being a thoroughly nasty person.

[bigpup]

The police have repeatedly shot unarmed civilians and they constantly violate the fourth amendment.

The ones that do these things are them selfs charged with a crime and prosecuted!

[bark_bark_bark]

The police have repeatedly shot unarmed civilians and they constantly violate the fourth amendment.

The ones that do these things are them selfs charged with a crime and prosecuted!

not always.

[rokytnji]

Sigh. Please give examples.

Not worth the effort when arguing with fan boys. They just shoot them down as false reports or whatever.

My dog and cat cartoon cuts down to the crux of this thread.

You won't convince me who is a good neighbor and one I could trust to buy a used car from or be comfortable at a dinner table and drink beer or non-alcholic beverages with.

I know now which forum members to avoid through this thread. Just like they know me.
I got no free time for them.
They probably feel the same about me.

Nuff said I guess. I never would of thought. Populism thinking and Puppy linux would go hand in hand.

But then. I guess the right wingers here think I got blinders on. I call it a survival trait.
But, I know bullshit/fear/hate mongering when I hear it.

The worm will turn eventually. Their kids will suffer for their political preferences.
When the ones they fear and hate run the show. We are not Europe. With it centuries
of "our kind" rule.

I have the presence of mind not to fear trump or all the damage he will do in the coming years. What makes me fearful/sad is all his fan boys and backers <kinda like the 1930's and 1940's> . While showing their Obama hate in the process. It is like ebola I guess. You can't keep the symptoms from showing. But end result is always the same. The host is killed eventually.

Last deconstruction of America was the Bush years. How quick one forgets.
The "Base" is now running America.

There is more than one definition for "Base". By the way.

http://imgur.com/o6EwI0h
http://imgur.com/gallery/0T8SG

[musher0]

+1 rokytnji

[bigpup]

rokytnji,

You seem to be the one with all the hate for people.

Canada,
Your in hibernation at present time of year.
Not all brain cells working.

[LazY Puppy]

I never would of thought. Populism thinking and Puppy linux would go hand in hand.

...until I discovered Apartheid Linux on the Web.

However: there's not just populism on the right-wing but also on the left-wing. I can watch this daily on TV, in the newspapers, on the Web forum where my email address is hosted and by personal experiences face to face with people.

Populism all the way - no matter how it's winged.

[musher0]

rokytnji,

You seem to be the one with all the hate for people.

Canada,
Your in hibernation at present time of year.
Not all brain cells working.

Oh, they're working fine, I "observe from afar" what's going on South of our border.

Wondering how the Republicans can have John McCain (which I respect a great
deal) and Donald "Twitter" Trump as members at the same time -- or you and and
belham2 on the same side! Of course the Holy Trinity is a mystery too...

As I said before, we in Canada had a mini-Trump in power for almost 10 years.
He didn't attack the press, he silenced the scientists. Which is worse, you think?

He pretended to defend the middle-class and to create jobs -- except he decided you
had to move from Atlantic Canada to the tar sands in Alberta if you wanted one.

He was against the UN and for bi-lateral agreements.

As I said, a "Trump", Canadian edition. For almost 10 years. PM Stephen Harper,
his name was. We developed anti-bodies.

So when you attack so-called liberals (liberal with the American meaning, not with
the international English meaning), or me, or speak with your blinders on, I've
become immune. I'm not impressed. And I am not amused.

~~~~~~~~
rokytnji is right.

Banning refugees, isolating Mexicans, putting Japanese and German refugees in
concentration camps, or declaring all original thinkers in your country communists
during your McCarthy-ism period, that's all along the same lines: the lines of narrow-
mindedness and hatred.

How many years has the US been doing this? All the way back to the slave trade?

And currently some of you Americans wonder why the USA is not liked in many
parts of the world.

Wow. Who's got only part of his brain cells working? Hey! Ho! Come alive!

You can't display hatred of a particular group for a number of years and expect the
same group to love you back. You can't say in the same sentence to a person:
"I hate you, give me a hug!" Try that with your wife or girlfriend!

Also, you can't change groups, direct the hatred towards another group every 25
years. People remember. Hatred is still hatred. Nations get disturbed and distrustful
of such behavior. They fear they're a member of the next group Americans will start
hating.

BTW, of all the peoples in the world, how can you Americans ask for boots-on-the-
ground support of the Iraqis at the present time and at the same time ban them as
immigrants or refugees?

Kudos to D. Trump for his political logic and acuteness, and most of all for his
sense of loyalty to his military allies: "We Americans hate you Iraqis, but give us a
hug anyway in the form of soldiers' lives sacrificed fighting ISIS!"

Who wants friends like that, eh? That blunder is beyond any political lines, beyond
right-wing or left-wing. Hip-hip-hurrah for Mr. Trump's international logic!!! Still
wondering why the USA is not liked in some parts of the world, bigpup?

~~~~~~~~

Unless... Hmm. That's it! I found the concept that explains your political opinions
and behavior, of you bigpup and your political brethren. A sizeable chunk of the
American political class is ... (drum roll) ,,, political sadists.

Has to be, no other explanation fits!

Best regards nevertheless.

[rokytnji]

rokytnji,

You seem to be the one with all the hate for people

[LazY Puppy]

Just out of curiosity:

When did it happen that populism only being a bad thing coming from the right wing?

[rokytnji]

Just out of curiosity:

When did it happen that populism only being a bad thing coming from the right wing?

[LazY Puppy]

Sorry, rokytnji, but I did not understand that reply.

By the way, regarding so-called unjustified attacks on the Free Press by Donald Trump...

A few weeks ago I sat and watch the German Free Press lying in a very horrible way. In a special TV magazine (one of my favorites for more than two decades (Frontal/Frontal21)) they made a special feature about violence increasing in our society.

The comment (a voice from the off) to the images shown had complained increasing of violence from the extreme right. Simultaneously to this comment the had shown two videos from public surveillance cameras at underground stations in German cities.

Though, the videos that they presented during the comment of increasing of right-winged violence did NOT show violence caused by people from the extreme right. The videos did show heavily physical attacks at innocent and peaceful people done by migrants, Muslim migrants!!!

They attacked those people from their backs, so they weren't aware of the attack and totally out of defense.

Frontal/Frontal21 is basically a left-winged political magazine. They already entered the stage of alternate facts.

Edit:

Right after the TV magazine, when returning home, I'd sent an email to the German television and the editorial staff of Frontal21. They never replied to my email. Though they received a heavy shit storm on the web and just made a very small apologize on their web page.

Democrapts from the left-wing complaining on alternate facts! Ha!

[bigpup]

Wondering how the Republicans can have John McCain (which I respect a great
deal) and Donald "Twitter" Trump as members at the same time

Because we want different ideas voiced by people of the same party.
We agree to disagree, but still hold some of the same basic values.

He pretended to defend the middle-class and to create jobs -- except he decided you
had to move from Atlantic Canada to the tar sands in Alberta if you wanted one.

Sounds a lot like what has happened in Texas, South Carolina, other parts of the US, etc...
You have to follow the jobs.
Texas and South Carolina made it good places to start a business with state supported incentives.
Lower taxes, lower labor costs, lower land prices, etc.....
Boeing did not build a new assembly plant in North Charleston SC just because they felt like it.
They hardly had the room for it, where it got built.
In fact, they had to move a road just to get the room.

If you think controlled immigration is hatred, you really do not understand.

Yes , I want to control the people that want to come into the US to kill me.
How do I know they want to kill me?
They say they do, ISIS and others, and they have.
We have some of them in prisons, because we discovered and stopped them before they could kill.
Guess what countries they come from!

ISIS is not true Iraqis!
We know it and so do the Iraqis we try to help.
It is their country.
Oh, I guess we should have just taken over and stayed in control.

Still wondering why the USA is not liked in some parts of the world, bigpup?

Sure does not seem to stop the flow of people trying to come here and stay illegally!!

Every country I have been in sure had no problem taking my money!!

The military I have worked with had no problem using my military equipment and asking for more.

As for the UN.
Just what do they really do?
Sure does not seem what the original idea called for.
They sure have no problem having the US pay for a lot of their upkeep.

The same goes for NATO.

[musher0]

Just out of curiosity:

When did it happen that populism only being a bad thing coming from the right wing?

I totally agree! Make the cats pay is what I say!!!

[musher0]

@bigpup

I'm not saying controlled immigration is hatred. You read me wrong.

But banning totally any ethnic group is, or at least it's not rational.

Canadians are not that much better in that respect, with our own internment of
Germans and Japanese during WW2 -- and especially with our residential schools
to assimilate First Nations Peoples into Western culture. That discrimination ended
in 1995 and had lasted for +/- 60 years... But when our mentality changed we
presented excuses and compensations to those minorities, we didn't try to regain our
"greatness".

It's like when feminists say that all males are violent. 99.9 % of males are nice guys
who try to figure out and please their woman as much as they can. Those feminists
are acting out of misandry, as it's called (but that's another subject).

You can't conclude that all iraqis are out to kill Americans (or Canadians, or
Frenchmen, or Germans, for that matter) when the ideology is shared by only 0,1 %
of their population. As the French and other police have shown, most of those
terrorists are sons and daughters of immigrants who went back to the Middle-East
countries to man the ISIS army. A lot of the ISIS combatants were born in Western
countries.

I don't want to endanger my life or the life of my fellow citizens any more than you
do. I'm saying that Trump's decree is only smoke for the faithful. It's a blanket
policy that casts too wide a net for no result. Should you punish 99,9 % of any
population because 0,1 % of them are rotten? And maybe half of that 0,1 % don't
even have an Iraqi passport, they have Western citizenships.

Other drawbacks are that 1) broad as it is, it can indeed be called racist, and 2) in
the case of Iraq, it's insulting your military ally, IMO. Again, who does that when
you're fighting a common enemy?

The goal of security is valid, except Trump is going at it the wrong way, given the
facts.I suppose you'll say those are "alternative facts"?

Well, it is a proven fact that the three terrorists we had in Canada in recent years
were pure-wool French-Canadians. (I discussed this earlier.) You'll have to do your
own fact-checking for your country, I can't help you with that, I don't know enough.

As to suggesting to people that they move to another location to get a job, it's not
bad in itself. Except it does nothing to help the economy of the poorer regions.

If the government wants a balanced economy across the country, I think it should
foster local business and innovation in those regions to prevent the region from
getting poorer -- or better still find a way to reverse the trend by discovering and
exploiting untapped resources in the poorer regions.

Time for bed. BFN.

[bigpup]

If the government wants a balanced economy across the country, I think it should
foster local business and innovation in those regions to prevent the region from
getting poorer -- or better still find a way to reverse the trend by discovering and
exploiting untapped resources in the poorer regions.

President Trump is trying to do that.
Change the playing field for the whole county with lower business tax, eliminate UN-needed regulations,
get companies thinking about building in the US, etc....
He still has to get our congress to do some of this.
They do nothing in 3 weeks.

Everyone is up in arms about getting coal production back up by eliminating some of the UN-needed regulations.

Funny thing is the people in coal mining are not stupid. They know some of those regulations are important to keep.
I saw a coal miner on news interview, being asked about reducing regulations on coal production.
He said, sure there are some that just make no since and prevent us from working.
But, we do need some of the regulations that affect water conditions.
I live here and have to drink the water.
I am not stupid!

foster local business and innovation and development in poorer regions.
That is exactly what the South Carolina State government did.
30 years ago Charleston South Carolina was dead except for the military bases.
100,000 plus people later and all kinds of businesses coming into the area and even closing a major Navy base.
It is booming here.

President Trump wants to do this all over the country.
He is not talking about doing anything that South Carolina and Texas have not already done.

South Carolina had Republican Governors and controlled legislatures.

I saw what could be done using Trumps ideas.

I will give you an example:
My home county property taxes are around 600 dollars a year.
Go to New York State.
It would be around $7000 to $8000 a year, if I was lucky. Do not even talk about NYC taxes!!

[bigpup]

But banning totally any ethnic group is, or at least it's not rational.

That is not what was done.
85% of the worlds Muslims are still allowed to enter the US.
Stopping immigration from countries that have no firm government and are full of ISIS and others, until we can figure out how to check these people out correctly, is not much to ask.
90 days is not forever.

I know I could not come into Canada until I convinced the border Mounties what I was doing.

I will be spending some money and see some stuff.

Come on in.
Not staying long are you?
Welcome to Canada!

People are already in prison in the US, that are from these countries. They were arrested, charged, and convicted of terrorist plots and attempted acts.
Last list of names was around 70 in prison that were from these countries.

If you scream all over TV you want to kill me. I take that as something important to stop.