slacko 5.3.3, final

[gcmartin]

Hi.
Slacko is great on my Dell Latitude c610.
The only thing that confuse me is that every time i mount any "sfs" file or any partition
my inserted live DVD starts spinning and stops after about a minute.
This DVD is not mounted after Slacko is loaded,but always reacts by spinning.
This never happens with Lupq-511 or Saluki.
I use laptop on battery most of the time and this reduce its working time.
All the rest is so far great.
Thanks in advance.

I'm not the best person to answer this.

Edited: This is the case on some of the distros. I have noticed that in some distros, too, if I insert/remove a USB key the CD-DVD will spin up, too.

I have NOT observed any harm in this, but, yes, it does occur.

Hope this helps

[Jades]

This is on Slacko 5.3.2.7.

On a shutdown, I don’t like having my DVD tray opened automatically when there is a CD in it. I don’t like the idea of manually closing it, but don’t want it setting open on a turned off computer. I remarked out line 1271 to 1285 and stopped this action in /etc/rc.d/rc.shutdown.

You did not need to do so.
Run the 'pupsaveconfig'. You can find 'Eject CD' checkbox.

Tried that, doesn't work on my system (LiveCD boot with pupsave on USB stick). If I deselect the tickbox, hit OK, and then run Pupsaveconfig again, the box is still shown as ticked, It appears that the state of the box is completely ignored.

To be frank, I think that automatically ejecting CDs on shutdown shouldn't be enabled by default, even assuming that the utility to toggle the function actually worked.

Other than that moan, 5.3.2.7 is still looking pretty good, I think we're at the fine-tuning stage here.

[shinobar]

Tried that, doesn't work on my system (LiveCD boot with pupsave on USB stick). If I deselect the tickbox, hit OK, and then run Pupsaveconfig again, the box is still shown as ticked, It appears that the state of the box is completely ignored.

Confirmed the bug in the GUI. It doen't work for the savefile on USB stick. (OK for internal HDD)
Instead, open the file '/etc/rc.d/pupsave.conf' by the text editor.

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EJECTCD=true

Rewrite to:

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EJECTCD=false

Once you rewrite, it should persists.
EDIT(tnx to Jades): If the file /etc/rc.d/pupsave.conf does not exist, create new with one line 'EJECTCD=false'.

[gcmartin]

Both @Jades and @Shinobar address a very good point.

I'm not sure if this the correct thread to address this, but, on a Shudown, I would agree that the Live Media CD/DVD tray should not open awaiting a response to complete shutdown. I have thought this over and cannot find a good reason. On a reboot, YES, the user may want the option to reload media for reboot. But, on Shutdown, I cannot see a adequate reason.

I think the logic could/should be corrected for all users.

If this post should be move so that Barry and others can see it so that its included, please move it appropriately.

Hope this helps

[Jades]

Tried that, doesn't work on my system (LiveCD boot with pupsave on USB stick). If I deselect the tickbox, hit OK, and then run Pupsaveconfig again, the box is still shown as ticked, It appears that the state of the box is completely ignored.

Confirmed the bug in the GUI. It doen't work for the savefile on USB stick.(OK for internal HDD)

Done some more checking, I've just created a brand new save file on mine and it remembered the setting. I'd selected it on the initial Pupsave config and every time I've shut it down it's powered down without ejecting the discs.

Instead, open the file '/etc/rc.d/pupsave.conf' by the text editor.

File is missing, on both of the Live CD installs I checked. Both of these were originally created on Slacko 5.3.2.4 and have been upgraded a couple of times. Running PupSaveConfig from the menu, clearing the tick box, and hitting OK does not result in the file being created. Upgrade problem maybe?

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EJECTCD=true

Rewrite to:

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EJECTCD=false

Once you rewrite, it should persists.

It did on the newly created save, On the files originating from 5.3.2.4 manually creating pupsave.conf and adding the line EJECTCD=false had the desired effect.

[Jades]

Interestingly, if I change both the settings for save period and Eject CD on PupSaveConfig then it does update /etc/rc.d/pupsave.conf and even creates this file on the two saves where it was missing. It's only when Eject CD is the only setting altered that nothing is changed.

The upgrade routine should check whether pupsave.conf is present, and if it isn't create one defaulting to EJECTCD=false - anyone who does want the discs ejected can always change the setting.

[shinobar]

Interestingly, if I change both the settings for save period and Eject CD on PupSaveConfig then it does update /etc/rc.d/pupsave.conf and even creates this file on the two saves where it was missing. It's only when Eject CD is the only setting altered that nothing is changed.

Right. It is the bug.

BTW
For the base of the discussion, note that the default behavior of the pupsaveconfig is opening the tray without dialog only at shutdown:

• Default
  Reboot: keep the media
  Power off: open tray without dialog (if can. it cannot for small RAM because it fails to unmount.)
• EJECTCD=false
  Both reboot and power off: keep the media
• Multisession (no matter the EJECTCD value)
  Both reboot and power off: keep or remove with dialog

I would like to show you what we discussed on the Japanese Forum:

• Why we remove the media at shutdown?
  Someone may want to keep the media in the drive. Re-loading the media at next boot is inconvenient for them.
  Another may want to remove them at shutdown. It is hard to remove the media after powered off.
• Why we keep the tray opened at shutdown?
  You have a choice to keep or remove the media. You can close the tray manually. But hard to open the tray without power.
• Why without dialog?
  The PC can be powered off by the power button when it hangs up. Suppose some trouble with the keyboard or the display but the acpid is working.

Well, we can offer a dialog for the removing media yes or no, with some timeout, default is 'yes'(remove).
But isn't it annoying?
May be the point is which is more annoying the dialog or the closing the tray manually...
Another point is whether it harms the hardware with closing the tray manually(for the desktop PC's). I think it harmless, I usually do.

[Sage]

Thank goodness common sense prevails in Japan. For serious repetitive testing, it is a real boon to have auto-eject during shutdown.

[01micko]

Hi everyone,

Well I'm back.. had a few internet "glitches" with moving house .. will get up to speed and catch up tomorrow.

Cheers, and keep those reports rolling in..

[James C]

Hi everyone,

Well I'm back.. had a few internet "glitches" with moving house .. will get up to speed and catch up tomorrow.

Cheers, and keep those reports rolling in..

I guess my report is that there are no real problems to report......

[01micko]

Thanks James

Seems there have been problems with flashplayer/cpu_arch with wary/racy. I hardly use it (flash) but I haven't had an issue with flash on my old IBM lappy, the athlon XP (when it decides it wants to go .. [mobo issue]), the crappy dell machines at college and my faster boxes.. anyone?

[James C]

Thanks James

Seems there have been problems with flashplayer/cpu_arch with wary/racy. I hardly use it (flash) but I haven't had an issue with flash on my old IBM lappy, the athlon XP (when it decides it wants to go .. [mobo issue]), the crappy dell machines at college and my faster boxes.. anyone?

I don't recall upgrading Flash to the latest 11.2.202.228 (the one causing the issues) on the Athlon XP box....... I'll check and test after I get some food. I expect after the upgrade to discover the same problem..... it's not Puppy it's an Adobe problem.I'll upgrade and report back.....the patched 10.3.183.18 works well in those situations where the upgrade to the latest fails though.

[James C]

Upgraded to the latest Flash and as expected, a total failure on the Athlon XP box.Nothing on Youtube except a black box where the video is supposed to be. Went back to 11.1r102 and things are back to normal.

[01micko]

New glib pets for testing, with a hack by jemimah applied for abiword help and also mounted drives show up in file open dialogs. See here.

Please test.

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... d-i486.pet
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... d-i486.pet
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... d-i486.pet
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... d-i486.pet

[01micko]

Taking advantage of the glib hacks, homebank help now works in the updated 4.4 (been meaning to do that for awhile )

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... i486-s.pet
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... i486-s.pet
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... i486-s.pet

For full local help install the DOC package too, else the Online Help now points to the Homebank website. I disabled the Launchpad stuff, you need to log in to launchpad.. patch attached..

EDIT: hmmm.. the local help was crashing the app, so I removed it all together, no use having it so disregard getting the DOC files unless you want the man page. Patch adjusted.

[playdayz]

Upgraded to the latest Flash and as expected, a total failure on the Athlon XP box.

James C, Just curious, have you tried Google Chrome? I have surprised myself but I am using it often now, just so I don't have to mess with Flashplayer, which is included in Chrome (but only in Chrome, not in Iron or Chromium).

Speaking of working Help Lupu 528.005 and Lupu Libre 528.005 Released today -> The big news is that Help is working in Abiword and Homebank and the web links are working in many programs Help -> About. More big news is that there is a Libre version with Libre Office 3.5.1 installed and integrated with the desktop.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 424#617424

[James C]

Upgraded to the latest Flash and as expected, a total failure on the Athlon XP box.

James C, Just curious, have you tried Google Chrome? I have surprised myself but I am using it often now, just so I don't have to mess with Flashplayer, which is included in Chrome (but only in Chrome, not in Iron or Chromium).

Haven't gotten around to it yet. Basically none of the Iron/Chrome/Chromium pets have been able to run on the Athlon XP box, or the old P3 boxes,so ........... I have made my own Chrome pets that have worked but I've been lazy lately....

Guess I'll try to make a new Chrome pet just to see.....worth a try I guess.

[James C]

Upgraded to the latest Flash and as expected, a total failure on the Athlon XP box.

James C, Just curious, have you tried Google Chrome? I have surprised myself but I am using it often now, just so I don't have to mess with Flashplayer, which is included in Chrome (but only in Chrome, not in Iron or Chromium).

Haven't gotten around to it yet. Basically none of the Iron/Chrome/Chromium pets have been able to run on the Athlon XP box, or the old P3 boxes,so ........... I have made my own Chrome pets that have worked but I've been lazy lately....

Guess I'll try to make a new Chrome pet just to see.....worth a try I guess.

Hadn't tried Chrome in a while so I was pleasantly surprised that Chrome 14 from the PPM actually works on this old Athlon XP.....maybe there is hope.

[playdayz]

Hadn't tried Chrome in a while so I was pleasantly surprised that Chrome 14 from the PPM actually works on this old Athlon XP.

Latest pet -> ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet ... slacko.pet

Latest Chrome is 18--I am remiss

[James C]

Hadn't tried Chrome in a while so I was pleasantly surprised that Chrome 14 from the PPM actually works on this old Athlon XP.

Latest pet -> ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet ... slacko.pet

Latest Chrome is 18--I am remiss

It works. Thanks.