Tiny Core fraud on Source Forge

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James C · #1 Post by **James C** » Fri 25 Mar 2011, 02:37

Found this interesting article........ Puppy Studio is even mentioned too.

http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... forge.html

Bernie_by_the_Sea · #2 Post by **Bernie_by_the_Sea** » Fri 25 Mar 2011, 03:48

This is not exactly fraud. He says the goal of his project "is to provide metadata for Tiny Core Linux ISO images."

That's exactly what he's doing. He's providing a service but apparently some don't see it that way.

thane · #3 Post by **thane** » Fri 25 Mar 2011, 07:07

For the point of view of the founder of Tiny Core Linux (and others), see here:

http://tinycorelinux.com/forum/index.php?topic=9060.0

nooby · #4 Post by **nooby** » Fri 25 Mar 2011, 12:37

Wow , how do we protect Puppy from getting same treatment by that guy?

Is he active here?

"Grimaldo" is testing ground with puppy Studio. What does Lowtech think of that bad behavior? Him being so critical of how he think us treated him here in our forum???

Read here too
http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... forge.html

I don't know the guy responsible for Sourceforge.net but his answer to RobertS was not encouraging for Puppy Linux was it.

Why expect us would get any other answer if "Grimaldo" do they same to us? I feel sick in my stomach about sourceforge behavior.

It is one thing to be a freeloader. It is much worse to allow the freeloader leeway by acting like sourceforge does.

nooby · #5 Post by **nooby** » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 09:32

sadmemories20 wrote:That's exactly what he's doing. He's providing a service but apparently some don't see it that way.

How well do you know him personally? Have you exchanged emails with him?

He should have asked RobertS about it first.

I would not do something without asking BarryK if it was okay to use the name Puppy on my entry at sourceforge

A service should be transparent to all involved and not done the way he did.

This being your first post here how come it is about him and not about your experience of booting up puppy on CD?

The ad you have in your signature what is that all about?

Slapdash · #6 Post by **Slapdash** » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 10:01

Excuse me if it is a silly question, but how is a fellow who uploads a linux .iso to his account and makes it available for download a fraudster?

I'm asking this out of sheer curiosity: everyone seems to be agitated, and yet I fail to comprehend why. It's annoying, so I would really appreciate if someone could explain.

nooby · #7 Post by **nooby** » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 10:04

Have you read the thread at tinycore? the other threads?
then you do know. RobertS felt very cheated.

It is as simple as this. You ask first!

Slapdash · #8 Post by **Slapdash** » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 10:10

Oh. So it's about asking permission. This makes it clearer, although calling the guy a fraud is perhaps a bit much.

To play the devil's advocate some more: I'm not sure about TinyCore's policy, its license or any other rules that its creator might have introduced, but I do know, that it says on my *buntu CD to pass it round, copy it and distribute freely. Perhaps the Sourceforge fellow thought he didn't have to ask for any permission? Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding that might be rectified easily?

Or perhaps the guy is obviously in violation of the licenses.

Thanks for explaining the issue nooby

nooby · #9 Post by **nooby** » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 10:31

I am not the one involved and I only guess based on reading how it unfolded on those other forums and two blogs.

But the text he used in the original entries did look like he had done something more involved than just redistribute he put his name on it.

But some say that was more due to sourceforge being set up that way.

I am not so much annoyed by Grimaldo because he maybe was not aware of how it would feel for RobertS finding out through others.
I don't mind if Grimaldo did it due to not knowing what is expected of him. I can forgive him for not knowing.

I feel most bad about teh guy at charge at sourceforge that told RobertS to engage legal actions as the only means to get it put straight who really is the Dev of TC. Newbies could easily have misunderstood the first entries

That was to me a kind of betrayal of the Linux spirit of fair play. But I am too remote to know such things. Maybe their personalities did clash instantly. Such do happens.

L18L · #10 Post by **L18L** » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 12:21

my 2 cents

I think that this is a classic case of someone trying to learn from mistakes and trying to do something to correct some of them.

nooby · #11 Post by **nooby** » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 14:22

Yes he has changed a lot on that page as I get it.

Did he not write yesterday that he has changed his mind even and look for other OS to use in his "Multi" thing.

So that is why I am more worried about the "Legal advice" that RobertS was supposed to go through before the Moderator could do anything on SF.

That is extremely dangerous for FOSS to get locked up in years of legal battle and then some technicality makes the whole GPL fail to work as it does now.

We are very lucky to have GPL. So we should be careful to not make it questioned legally.

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