Lupu-515 Beta New Version DEC 18

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James C · #2121 Post by **James C** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 01:14

Fresh manual frugal install on the old P4 test box. Everything working on initial boot and also survived a couple of reboots.

VIDEO REPORT: Lucid Puppy, version 242

Chip description:
Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller

Driver used by Xorg:

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth:

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

# glxgears
1763 frames in 5.0 seconds
1944 frames in 5.0 seconds
1986 frames in 5.0 seconds
1965 frames in 5.0 seconds
1964 frames in 5.0 seconds
3435 frames in 5.0 seconds
3589 frames in 5.0 seconds
3949 frames in 5.0 seconds
4018 frames in 5.0 seconds
3948 frames in 5.0 seconds

-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Memory : 513MB (131MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.24
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 05 Dec 2010 07:13:20 PM CST
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 865G GEM 20091221 2009Q4 x86/MMX/SSE2
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel ICH5

bigpup · #2122 Post by **bigpup** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 01:28

Luci 242
Frugal install
Installed Iron Browser from Lucid news.
Clicked on "select default browser" icon on tray and got this

gabe · #2123 Post by **gabe** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 01:42

playdayz wrote:
Not only that, the huge ISO size caused problems with low-ram computers, the sfs had to be split in two (this might be causing the boot problem I mentioned -- the 21MB sfs32948y23942343297.sfs or whatever can't be read because the system unmounts the usb stick),
That might be, but using the zdrive is the way Quirky and Wary are working now, as well as Lucid.

JWM (the only alternative for low-ram computers like my 256MB) is getting worse at responding to any configuration attempts. If I understood how the menu configuration was established, I'd love to help fix it. Does BarryK know about this?
That might be another clue, because those programs are working well in my tests: fbpanel config, openbox config, and jwm config.

No way! They've never worked since 5.x on any computer I've booted into. Try this on a clean boot: Boot puppy, go to JWM configuration, and try to change the theme to lightblue. Nothing happens! Then try to run the fbpanel config and change the clock to 12hr. Nothing happens. Try to change from icons to icons+text (for the taskbar entries). Nothing happens. In fact, nothing happens when anything in these programs are changed.

How is it possible that people are getting different results when it's happened to me in all computers? Is it the USB boot thing again?

People in this day and age (netbooks, CDs becoming scarce) aren't going to use CD's anymore, and DVDs (which still don't work in netbooks or really old computers) would be wasted on 130MB anyway.

bigpup · #2124 Post by **bigpup** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 01:46

Luci 242
Frugal install
Select setup icon on desktop
Select upgrade X drivers
Get no driver upgrade available.
Quickpet graphics test shows an upgrade driver being available.

bigpup · #2125 Post by **bigpup** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 02:09

Luci 242
Frugal install
Quickpet>drivers
Click on ATI driver and get this:

James C · #2126 Post by **James C** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 02:26

gabe wrote:
playdayz wrote:
Not only that, the huge ISO size caused problems with low-ram computers, the sfs had to be split in two (this might be causing the boot problem I mentioned -- the 21MB sfs32948y23942343297.sfs or whatever can't be read because the system unmounts the usb stick),
That might be, but using the zdrive is the way Quirky and Wary are working now, as well as Lucid.

JWM (the only alternative for low-ram computers like my 256MB) is getting worse at responding to any configuration attempts. If I understood how the menu configuration was established, I'd love to help fix it. Does BarryK know about this?
That might be another clue, because those programs are working well in my tests: fbpanel config, openbox config, and jwm config.
No way! They've never worked since 5.x on any computer I've booted into. Try this on a clean boot: Boot puppy, go to JWM configuration, and try to change the theme to lightblue. Nothing happens! Then try to run the fbpanel config and change the clock to 12hr. Nothing happens. Try to change from icons to icons+text (for the taskbar entries). Nothing happens. In fact, nothing happens when anything in these programs are changed.

I'm also unable to change the clock to 12 hr here ,but icons+text in the taskbar seems to be working.

gabe · #2127 Post by **gabe** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 02:31

James C wrote: I'm also unable to change the clock to 12 hr here ,but icons+text in the taskbar seems to be working.

Now try to use the program to change it back and forth.

And try to apply a theme with JWM configuration. (I think the one I tried was the light blue vista-basic looking one).

James C · #2128 Post by **James C** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 02:34

gabe wrote:
James C wrote: I'm also unable to change the clock to 12 hr here ,but icons+text in the taskbar seems to be working.
Now try to use the program to change it back and forth. And try to apply a theme with JWM configuration. (I think the one I tried was the light blue vista-basic looking one).

That took a couple of mouse clicks.....

bigpup · #2129 Post by **bigpup** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 02:41

luci 242
frugal install
Menu>multimedia>media tools>pcdripper CD song ripper
Get this. If click on OK get the same thing again.

01micko · #2130 Post by **01micko** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 02:57

bigpup

Here's a hack around for iron with the cache options

The other issue (ati) is already addressed... please read my response to playdayz here

Cheers

gabe · #2131 Post by **gabe** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 03:38

James C wrote:
gabe wrote: That took a couple of mouse clicks.....

Incredible. I believe a pet changed them to icons (I forget which, darn it), and I haven't been able to change them back.

In any case, can you change the jwm theme? To light blue, for instance? Use the JWM configuration and "Choose jwm theme."

James C · #2132 Post by **James C** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 03:51

gabe wrote:
James C wrote:
gabe wrote: That took a couple of mouse clicks.....
Incredible. I believe a pet changed them to icons (I forget which, darn it), and I haven't been able to change them back.

In any case, can you change the jwm theme? To light blue, for instance? Use the JWM configuration and "Choose jwm theme."

Like this?

WB7ODYFred · #2133 Post by **WB7ODYFred** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 04:02

Hello this midori keeps crashing on me with Lucid-242.iso Nobember 28
so post quick and add/edit later

Via82xx PCI AC97 chip is not handled correctly from Alsa Sound Wizard.
I get no sound driver loaded. Please, I am informing of the bug i found, but wish to participate and edit files until Lucid-242.iso can play sound through AC97 on this VIA8233 chip. Looking for test suggestions and modifications. I will try turning off the external amp button suggested in the following link. Will run the commands, aplay -l and scanpci.

Related Forum Link for VIA82XX chip Audio problems from Februrary 2010
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 29&t=18486 I added the file output for commands lspci and lsmod below. You can also see the contents of the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf alsa-base.conf puppy.conf files attached below.

Code: Select all

 examples from URL Link above
for example, what sound devices does this list:

aplay -l

what are the results of typing:

scanpci

do you get any error message from this:

aplay /usr/share/audio/2barks.wav

does it do anything if you type:

rmmod snd_via82xx
modprobe snd_via82xx ac97_quirk=0

does trying ac97_quirk=1 (or 2, 3, 4) do anything?

2nd) here is my MIDORI crash error. It has bitten my three times now. I lost all my edits to the ether.

# midori

** (midori:4249): WARNING **: Error loading plugin: libaspell.so.15: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

---> How/where can I check for the file libaspell.so.15 on the luci-242.iso CD I booted from. Is this just a case of TOO MANY OPEN Windows and not enough SWAP space, or some random keystroke causing midori to crash?

3rd) Why after selecting the default installed browser, ie Midori , and moving on to the Puppy Advert Blocker, that clicking the Earth Icon Browser symbol only repeats bringing up the Puppy Advert Blocker?
Will the Earth Icon Browser symbol, get updated to point to start a browser?
From a new user GUI useability, what icon do I click on or what menu entry do open to Browse the internet? That was my question, Playdaz. I could not figure out how to select/start a browser, no method to start any browser.
My solution open a terminal window and type "midori" or happenstance click open a HELP button and realize that I now have a default "browser" (ie midori) running and I can type in a URL and surf the internet after running the Network Connection Wizard.
Once a browser is selected during the initial startup, what menu entry/wizard can one start to bring up the place/script where I could download/install another browser from these selections (FireFox, SeaMonkey, Opera, or Midori). How do you do this? Is it documented in the Help menu somewhere. Maybe I missed something.

4th) I miss having the mtpaint screen capture selection of just the single top window, "CHOICE". Yes the mtpaint menu is very simple now, wait 10 seconds or right now.to capture the whole screen. Yes, I can "crop" just the window I want. Guess that is good enough. I Would like to see one more button for the "current window" in the Mtpaint Screenshot menu.

playdayz · #2134 Post by **playdayz** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 04:44

Why after selecting the default installed browser, ie Midori , and moving on to the Puppy Advert Blocker, that clicking the Earth Icon Browser symbol only repeats bringing up the Puppy Advert Blocker?

Good questions. We need midori for two purposes, to display help and to go to LupuNews before users might have installed a real browser. We have not been diligent enough in our attempts to discourage people from using it as a regular browser. The sequence you went through is reasonable--we just need to block it and make sure that you understand that we strongly encourage you to download a regular browser. Removing the Use generic browser might be a good move. Sorry but thanks for the feedback.

playdayz · #2135 Post by **playdayz** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 04:49

uci 242
frugal install
Menu>multimedia>media tools>pcdripper CD song ripper
Get this. If click on OK get the same thing again.

One for zigbert, bigpup. Thanks.

01micko · #2136 Post by **01micko** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 04:52

I've done a bit of work on the driver install method in quickpet.. but have reached a crossroads...

Do I continue this path or do we scrap the drivers page and fix Barry's Video upgrade for compliance with Lupu???

It's parallel development.. pretty much a waste of resources. My latest incarnation (unreleased as yet) almost mimics Barry's version.

For the good of woof and Puppy as a whole maybe we should drop the drivers page and instead link it to the video upgrade wizard.

Or.. maybe leave it and fix that for next time, since we have a feature freeze in place.

Thoughts?

Ok.. released

Jim1911 · #2137 Post by **Jim1911** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 05:06

01micko wrote: Or.. maybe leave it and fix that for next time, since we have a feature freeze in place.

Thoughts?

Ok.. released

It works good, leave it for the time being.

bigpup · #2138 Post by **bigpup** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 06:42

Have the puppy Setup>upgrade X drivers button open the drivers tab in quickpet.

gabe · #2139 Post by **gabe** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 06:45

James C wrote:
James C wrote:
gabe wrote: That took a couple of mouse clicks.....
Incredible. I believe a pet changed them to icons (I forget which, darn it), and I haven't been able to change them back.

In any case, can you change the jwm theme? To light blue, for instance? Use the JWM configuration and "Choose jwm theme."
Like this?

Yes. I'm jealous!

Lobster · #2140 Post by **Lobster** » Mon 06 Dec 2010, 07:13

It works good, leave it for the time being.

Agreed.
Don't 'fix' what works at this stage.

I find the drivers option very useful
The crystal driver has an ATI control panel
that I may try later . . .

Sound and internet connection persistent once set up.
I believe a lot of anomalies/updates were introduced
with the new Woof.
My clock works again (my gosh
I knew time was relative but it was jumping time lines
very erratically previously)

The bulk is there and works
Honing and testing guys
Maximum 'just works'

regarding quickpet r3
ahem . . . perhaps:
under file (pull down menus)
Quit usually goes at the bottom
At the end we could do with a Help menu
which is really just the support menu renamed and moved
that includes help (did you guess)
clicking on info should reflect any changes if implemented

I have installed and it works (not tried a long
stream yet) the 64bit Flash
I think that Adobe Flash is the problem
- not the choice of browser.
No wonder Apple dropped them . . .
HTML5 cometh . . .

I will try other browsers as Larry (playdayz) suggests
and any other suggestion if this fails.

Do watch sneaky linux test videos
as he knows Puppy well enough
to give useful 'real user' feedback

Go sneaky . . .

We need more testing
Does Skype work - all the add ons?
All the programs, SFS
Test and TEST - feedback - be kind

What is the situation with KDE and Beryl support?

Floods in Australia is Barry safe?

Wiki bot attack resolved
but this page needs some work/logo
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy52LuciTips
(we never really went with the meerkat
motif)
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy52

time for a song (to the tune of white Christmas)
"I'm dreaming of a Puppy Christmas . . .
Woof woof"

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Lupu-515 Beta New Version DEC 18

Setup Bug for VIA82XX chip , Alsa Sound Wizard