Puppy Squeeze 009 Development

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James C · #701 Post by **James C** » Mon 25 Oct 2010, 02:19

Strange......... on the old P3 manual frugal installs of both kernels will never start x. Used the disc I used in the above post in the P3.....booted and worked pfix=ram.
Decided to delete the existing frugal and use the installer to create a new frugal install. Everything went fine till I rebooted.....still will not start x.
The live disc works fine though.

Testing is fun.......

Iguleder · #702 Post by **Iguleder** » Mon 25 Oct 2010, 07:11

Still shocked ... it's so messed up

I might try the previous Woof, maybe it's a problem with Woof - the extra stuff it puts in /etc/DISTRO_SPECS could be the cause for some problems.

Jim1911: I wanted to do the "trinitypup" experiment once 010 (which is supposed to be release-quality) is out, but I see Debian Squeeze got messed up so I think I'll start with trinitypup on an Ubuntu base and give the Debian folks a week or two to fix xorg.

EDIT: take a look at /etc/modprobe.d, something is wrong.

scsijon · #703 Post by **scsijon** » Mon 25 Oct 2010, 11:38

Iguleder wrote:I think I removed all routing-related stuff, home users don't need all the networking protocols and extra stuff that all Puppy kernels have.

Want it in? Just let me know if there's anything missing and I'll put it back in.

Not sure of that Igu, satellite is suppose to need some of the routing and ip4 stuff and those of us that want to keep our "home network" accessed via one lan port separate and isolated from our satellite lan port, I think, also need some of it (tables), especially isolating the Intranet components from the extranet.

sorry
scsijon

Iguleder · #704 Post by **Iguleder** » Mon 25 Oct 2010, 11:47

I added all the missing protocols and stuff, the problem should be gone. At the moment I'm trying to make a Lupu with Trinity, that's the trinitypup experiment I was so enthusiastic about

I'll use the new 2.6.32.24 with it, this one has all experimental features off. Should be ultra-stable.

Jim1911 · #705 Post by **Jim1911** » Mon 25 Oct 2010, 15:29

Iguleder wrote:Uploaded a Trinity base SFS, here. The SFS contains kdelibs-trinity, kdebase-trinity and xdg menu stuff Puppy lacks

Hi Iguleder,
I reported "Running this now on 0.9. This is quite an accomplishment. Thanks for sharing it." I should have mentioned that it did have a shutdown problem, which I solved by installing radky's Pupshutdown 1.3, otherwise appears to be working great.

Looking forward to seeing your latest for Lucid Base 5.2.

Cheers,
Jim

Iguleder · #706 Post by **Iguleder** » Tue 26 Oct 2010, 11:55

I started working on something new, the first stage is a barebones Lupu 232. No end-user applications and many libraries (which consume most of the ~130 MB of Lupu) are removed. Plus, there's a solid LTS kernel - I recompiled 2.6.32.24 and started with Barry's .config for Wary's 2.6.32.16. All experimental stuff are out, so this kernel should be quite good. It's loaded with input device modules, rfkill, SMP, Hyperthreading, wireless drivers, laptop drivers and network card drivers. It's also smaller than other Puppy kernels.

I want to start with a small base and add applications one-by-one with their dependencies, the heaviest packages go first and the rest will follow. Debian Squeeze is messed up, so I'll use Ubuntu 10.4 and switch to it later. It's not that hard, just 4-5 packages need to be renamed.

I also want to use this opportunity to sort out the multimedia hell we have in 009 - mplayer cannot be replaced because its dependencies are split - some of them are PETs while the rest are DEBs and we suffer from incompatibility problems. I can't compile a new mplayer because something is broken ... so this time I want to use Debian's mplayer and ffmpeg (we'll lose support for some exotic formats) to solve this problem and rid us of the need to compile both.

Also, at the moment I'm building a first ISO and I'm trying libc6-i686 instead of libc6, which means our C library is optimized for i686. Also, the kernel I compiled is patched with a patch I made that makes it compile for i486 with i686 optimizations, so it should be faster on i686, yet compatible for i486, in case someone wants to use it for a Puppy without the i686 glibc.

Once I have all applications, it should be much smaller than the 010 test builds, the latest is 146 MB. This could be a very good start for a point release ... if 010 is our "5.0", this could be the "5.1".

Another interesting, exciting prospect of this side-project is a barebones flavor for Squeeze, a barebones Lupu or a barebones Puppy kit for Woof. This could make bigger projects (things similar to kdpup, macpup and NOP) easier and allow puplet developers to use Woof instead of traditional methods. That's good for Woof and great for Puppy.

Sylvander · #707 Post by **Sylvander** » Tue 26 Oct 2010, 12:35

Any chance of making sure that "Motion Eye Webcam" drivers are included?

Iguleder · #708 Post by **Iguleder** » Tue 26 Oct 2010, 12:48

All the drivers are included with one exception I think, some old deprecated driver. Besides this one, all drivers should be included - if this kernel version supports this specific webcam, the driver should be available.

Sylvander · #709 Post by **Sylvander** » Tue 26 Oct 2010, 16:39

How should one check that a particular kernel includes drivers for particular hardware?

pemasu · #710 Post by **pemasu** » Tue 26 Oct 2010, 16:56

How should one check that a particular kernel includes drivers for particular hardware?

Hmm... I have done it afterwards. I have installed devx and kernel source sfs and then copied (if necessary) right .config file and then launched > #make menuconfig. I have then checked what options and modules were included in that .config file and what support there is for certain hardware.

Yeah, that is quite hard way, but you will get sure information.

Sylvander · #711 Post by **Sylvander** » Tue 26 Oct 2010, 19:48

Sounds like that's above and beyond the ability of a relative beginner such as myself.

Iguleder · #712 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 27 Oct 2010, 08:30

Ummm ... my trimmed Lupu attempt failed, it didn't boot. The kernel was faulty and X didn't start.

Now I'm doing the second attempt, wish me luck

Shep · #713 Post by **Shep** » Wed 27 Oct 2010, 10:09

On my old 560MHz PIII, Gnome-Mplayer in dpup-009 way outperforms plain Mplayer (in an older Dpup), so I'm aiming to adopt SQUEEZE if I can manage to connect it to the net.

Is Gnome-Mplayer a totally different beast from plain Mplayer? If similar, then how do they differ?

Iguleder · #714 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 27 Oct 2010, 11:22

GNOME-MPlayer is a graphical application that simply embeds what you call the "plain" mplayer into it, so it cannot be "faster". It's mplayer that plays stuff, GNOME-MPlayer just surrounds it with a nice GTK interface so you don't need to run it from the console.

Shep · #715 Post by **Shep** » Wed 27 Oct 2010, 11:40

Iguleder wrote:GNOME-MPlayer is a graphical application that simply embeds what you call the "plain" mplayer into it, so it cannot be "faster".

In that case, I must credit the remarkable improvement to: improvements in mplayer itself, and/or more suitable codec package installed in dpup-009.

Thanks.

edoc · #716 Post by **edoc** » Wed 27 Oct 2010, 16:16

I am having trouble viewing the streaming video here:
http://www.syfy.com/rewind/riese/1255985/

QUESTIONS:

1. Might updating from Seamonkey 2.0.8 to 2.0.9 help?

2. Is it OK to use the 2.0.9 down here (see following) or is there a dpup 009
optimized update?
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

Download Now
SeaMonkey 2.0.9

* Windows, English (10 MB)
* Linux GTK2, English (13 MB)

Iguleder · #717 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 27 Oct 2010, 16:19

First of all, check if you have "gecko-mediaplayer" installed. I don't remember if we had it in 009. Upgrading to 2.0.9 won't help, it's just a bug-fix release.

And yes, you can use the official binaries; just replace the contents of /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.0.8 with the contents of the new Seamonkey 2.0.9. Should work just fine.

edoc · #718 Post by **edoc** » Wed 27 Oct 2010, 16:54

Windows Media Player Plug-in

File name: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/gecko-mediaplayer-wmp.so
Gecko Media Player 0.9.9.2

edoc · #719 Post by **edoc** » Wed 27 Oct 2010, 17:01

Is the cp2101 module compiled into the kernel?

Iguleder · #720 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 27 Oct 2010, 17:06

No idea actually. I just know it has all network card/sound card/wireless card modules in. If the kernel has this driver, there is a good chance that 009 has it.

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