Legacy OS (TEENpup) Feedback is it booting?

[Roy]

John,

Thank you for yet another version / update of your work. To be perfectly honest, after using TEENpup2009 for a time (different computer), the mere fact that your name is on this is good enough for me!

However, I do have a small issue when taking Legacy out for a spin (LiveCD mode) on my desktop... the network wizard freezes @ 25 ~ 30% through when scanning for a wireless connection and a hard shutdown is the only way to get my mouse or menus to function again. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace resets X, but without a mouse pointer. At other times, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace dumps me to a black screen. Guess that was the wrong course of action on this machine.

Legacy shows my wireless driver as RT61 (unknown description). Wary 060 shows the module as rt61pci (pci RaLink RT2561/RT61 PCI). Wary connects; Legacy and Ttuuxxx's 214X-RC5 do not connect, although Ttuuxxx's versions do not freeze while running the (old style) Network wizard. Pwireless (2.14-based builds) does not show any of the wireless access points present.

Is it possible that I just don't have the correct wireless driver? I do realize that these aren't your target machine specs, but they are:

AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3500+
nVidia Corporation C51G [GeForce 6100]
(and an old 15-inch CRT for a monitor)
Conexant Systems, Inc. HSF 56k Data/Fax Modem
RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
2985MB RAM
250GB IDE HD

I have not attempted a frugal install yet, as I have no wired connectivity within sight. But nancyreagan (above) just made an excellent point -- your user guide is a fantastic touch! I'm telling you -- your name really carries a lot of weight with me when I see it on your work.

-Roy

[sneekylinux]

Just my 10 pence worth here,had no problem booting from CD,although had to use vesa on 2 machines,as peeps have said,the installer is round the wrong way,and when trying to do network more than once it don't like it,and will not work,but i did not try more tools.
apart from that no problems for me.
And the video is up on youtube if anyone wants to have a peek,but beware it is over 10 mins long..

[rsherrod]

I can't boot your new release. The message is "ERROR, cannot find
Puppy on 'idecd' boot media."

I had no problems with your previous versions.

Ladislav


I have downloaded the iso three times and burn it to five disks and used a 633, 933 and atom setups. I got the same the same message with each. All have run TEENpup mini with no problems.

[john biles]

Hello Roy,
Look under "my documents/help-info" I've included some Wireless Pets etc from the Puppy forum and the forum posts on using them. May be of help.

Hello sneekylinux,
Thank you for taking the time to do a video review of Legacy OS.
I've included a link on my "Legacy OS Website Page" so anyone coming from Distrowatch will see it straight away. Thank you for going through the menu and showing the large amount of Applications included. Excellent!

Hello rsherrod,
TEENpup 2010 mini beta is based on Puppy 4.2.1 release in 2009 which Legacy OS is based on Puppy 2.14 released 2007. A lot in relation to Wifi, Graphic Cards, Duo Core, the release of the EeePC and more has change big time between the original Puppy 2.14 release and later Puppy 4.2.1 release. Today Puppy 5.0.1 takes that a step further. Puppy 5.0.1 works perfectly on my fathers HP Netbook. He has start up issues with Ubuntu 10.04 remix so no Distro sadly will fill everyones needs. TEENpup 2010 mini beta on his HP Netbook has a number of issues also.
So what I'm trying to say is that while they are both basically TEENpup releases, they are further apart in fulfilling different hardware requirements than first thought. A plain old Windows 98 / Me PC has more chance of working with Legacy OS than a 3 Ghz Pentium 4 with 2 Gb's of Ram, a mega Graphics Card that Ubuntu 10.04 would find heaven.

Just remember having success with "TEENpup 2010 mini beta" on your hardware is no guaranty at all that "Legacy OS" will be the same.

[wuwei]

Sorry John,

I am still unable to boot LegacyOS.

Switched to an 8 year old AMD single core PC, 2.4 GHz, 512 MB RAM, dedicated partition for Legacy only. Manual frugal install to / and alternatively to /boot with vmlinuz and initrd.gz.

Tried the grub stanza as per my previous post of Sept 3rd in this thread, as well as Nooby's posted here on Sept 4th. None is working.

It might help if you could provide a tried and proven menu.lst entry for a frugal install of Legacy to a dedicated partition.

I did try out your magnificent OS from CD. It boots and it is very promising. Too bad I can't get it to boot frugally

Thanks

[john biles]

Hello wuwei,
I always do a full install not frugal Sorry! Is it possible to see if a full install to hard Drive works or will it upset something else already on your hard drive?

[wuwei]

Thanks for your answer John.

I can try a full install. Since there is a dedicated partition for Legacy, it should not mess up anythig else.
The existing /boot/grub on another partition can be saved beforehand. I will try it tomorrow.

[Roy]

John,

Thanks for responding. After installing your included rt61 wireless pet and rebooting the CD with a save file on my HD, I am still freezing up when initiating a wireless network scan. Rutilt shows:

Code: Select all

Critical error:
Can't trigger scanning.
Code: 100

I did, however manage to install that same wireless .pet on Ttuxxx's 214XRC5 and had success with Pwireless for an unencrypted connection (rt61 does not support WPA but rt2561/rt61 pci does). Ttuuxxx's traditional Network Wizard still showed 'No modems detected', even with the Pwireless connection.

This desktop is 5+ years old, but I only recently (this year) found a wireless card that was linux-compatible. Maybe the card is just too new?

-Roy

[wuwei]

This kind of a failure hasn't happened for me in a long time, but I can't get this legacy Puppy to boot.

I am shy to do a full install, because I have grub on another partition and in the MBR. Don't want to mess this up.

Then I spend about an hour+ to find grub stanzas for a manual frugal install and tried several of them. Without success unfortunately. The boot procedure stops already at loading the relevant hdb3 partition.

Next was a start from CD with the goal to create a pup_save file. This works fine until I am trying to install a nVidia driver. (Desktop is awfully shifted to the right without one).
Even the wellminded search does not detect a nVidia-96 driver for kernel 2.6.18.This "InstallNvidia-Puppy-2.12-and-2.13.pup" is as close as I can find any. Yet, that results in a black screen and no way out except by cutting the power.

Well? Guess I have to go without LegacyOS

[john biles]

Hello wuwei,
Have a play with the 3D Control Center Dotpup as well as the Nvidia Dotpup while running live and see if this helps. Someone posted a Driver problem like yours in relation to TEENpup 2009 Legacy and got it working. May be you'll have same luck to.

Link http://www.dotpups.de/dotpups/3D-Control-Center/

[Roger Hunter]

Hi John;

The problem I've had with Legacy not booting seems to be related to my second HD, a 250Gb drive.

With it unplugged, Legacy boots up just fine although the background image is missing.

Roger

[john biles]

Hello Roger Hunter,
Let me know if you decide to use Legacy OS long term. (Not Play with it for a day or 2 and then distro hop to something else.)
Example you set it up on an old PC installed to Hard Drive and the background problem continues even though you've changed the background.

[Roger Hunter]

John;

Sorry, I'm unable to use linux full time.

My programming language doesn't work in linux and there's no driver for my mouse.

Roger

[retry3]

Hey John Biles -

Legacy boots and runs from CD, using it now for this post.-

HP pavilion notebook zv5120us - 1.2gHz-512RAM-ATI Radeon-80 Gb hd.

Wish I could help more but I am limited.

Regards,

Retry3

[Roger Hunter]

John;

Legacy lives!

My problem turned out to be a problem of some sort with the last partitions on the 250Gb drive.

Once I deleted them the rest fell into line.

Legacy OS installed with the dead leaf background. But the tutorials died too. Neither one works and there's no Ethernet setup so I'm using it as the menu holder for booting the system.

Roger

[maxpro4u]

I just did a frugal install of Legacy on my old compaq laptop. It booted fine but I can't connect. It has a D-Link DFE 690 TXD in slot2 but is not seen nor a driver. Can I use the driver from 5.1 (which works)and where is it located?

[ttuuxxx]

I just did a frugal install of Legacy on my old compaq laptop. It booted fine but I can't connect. It has a D-Link DFE 690 TXD in slot2 but is not seen nor a driver. Can I use the driver from 5.1 (which works)and where is it located?

not usually, its compiled against the specific kernel that lagacy OS uses, There is a simple how-to at the dlink website, as long as you have the devx installed, it should be easy.
http://www.dlink.com/support/faq/defaul ... DFE-690TXD
ttuuxxx

[svgt]

I have installed Legacy on a 12 years old desktop pc. There is no usb plug-in at the mainboard, but there is a pci card for usbs.

During over 20 trials the usb mouse is not recognized. But sometimes it works. How can I manage to get the usb mouse for sure?

[svgt]

I want to run a LegacyOS in a dual boot system with Puppy 431 on the same drive. I did not find a way to start both Puppies from the same menu.lst.

Because of the different notations for the disk i must distinguish between hda and sda. It is not possible to start 431 from the LegacyOS menu.lst with sdax.

[john biles]

Hello svgt,

Does a PS/2 mouse work? can you use that? Anyone else had this mouse problem and can provide a fix?

To anyone dual booting series 2 and 4 Puppy's together have any advice in how you configured the 2 to boot together with grub and may be attach a copy of your 1st menu.