Which browser 2010?

[darrelljon]

Nominations for which browser 2010

[hellin]

I think Google Chrome is a good choice

[nooby]

I am still confused if google Chrome and Chromium is same browser.
If they are then Firefox or Iron is my choice.

[Bligh]

Seamonkey works fine for me. Other browsers can easily be added if desired.
Cheers

[stu90]

I was not a fan of Chrome / Chromium to begin with however i now find it to be my default browser of choice.

Nooby: i believe chrome is a google branded version of chromium.

[WhoDo]

Any one I want, thanks to Lupu 5.00 and Quickpet!

I'm trialling Google Chrome now, enjoy Seamonkey but 2.00 seems slow, used both Firefox and Opera in the past, and like the Puppy browser that Mark put together too! *sigh* So many choices, so little time!

[Lobster]

So many choices, so little time!

I have been Firefoxed.
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Firefox

Seamonkey 2 is good
but I prefer the add on certainty of Firefox.
Chrome is almost there - the bookmarks confused me - not enough add ons
Speed is not the issue - not quite used to Chrome.
I don't want to be aware of the browser - just want it to work
I find Opera gets in the way too - so look at it occasionally but never use it anymore . . .

Choice is about finding what is right for you
- which (big life clue coming up) means:
What is right 4U <> Absolutely Right

FireFox is my current choice

[caieng]

Choice is about finding what is right for you

No quarrel here.

My quarrel is with Barry, I guess.

I spent the last several hours tinkering with Puppy 5.

I may as well go back to 4.3.2

I am really put off, by all this effort, for naught.

Did no one beta test this "puppy"?

My algorithm, i.e. "what is right for me", is very simple: just three steps:

1. power on --> desktop appears, with no passwords etc. Puppy passes with flying colors; Nice job. Well done!!!

2. One click on desktop on browser of choice, hey, Puppy 5 offers several choices, VERY GOOD. Thank you someone. Very wise indeed. Well, they are not yet on the desktop, but eventually, I hope to figure that out.... The fact that post install, the browser is inaccessible from the desktop, is just a minor irritation, nothing to write home to mother about....

3. One more click on the icon of my choice at this web site, the home page of my preferred browser:

http://www.listenlive.eu/classical.html

RESULT: MUSIC. yes. music soothes the soul..... RIGHT???

Well, at least the converse has some merit. Right now I am not hearing any, and that makes me more than a tad disappointed. I am really very unhappy, after several hours wasted with this bloody puppy 5.

So what exactly is it that I am dissatisfied with, and what does that have to do with the topic here, i.e. Browser of choice, 2010?

I am disgusted that with all the hoopla and pizzaz surrounding puppy 5, the damn thing can't play music, i.e. no useful interface to streaming audio.

So what exactly do I mean by "useful interface". What I mean is that JUST AS I ONLY WANT to turn on the power, in order to see the desktop, and only want to click once to see the home page of the browser, (any browser) sitting on the desktop, so too, I only want to click once on ANY ICON of my choice, among the three non-proprietary audio formats:

OGG
mp3
aacPlus

as shown at
http://www.listenlive.eu/classical.html
and hear music.

So, what happens with Puppy 5: half of the time, nothing at all. Some of the icons give some music, sometimes.
Some of the icons, which work fine with other distros, other browsers, other audio players, do not work with puppy 5.

So, I downloaded, first Chrome (because it is faster than other browsers), and could get NOTHING at all, NO SOUND whatsoever.

Then I downloaded Opera, and I was finally able to hear SOME stations, once in a while.

This is a mess.

Puppy 5 is a complete, unmitigated disaster, from my perspective. I only need it to play music, nothing else. THAT'S all I need. Puppy 5 fails to deliver that simple request.

So who or what is to blame for this mess. Is it the browser? Is it me, maybe I am just too stupid to know how to configure puppy? Hey, that's not unrealistic, for I am not the sharpest tack in the carpet. Problem is, I am just as stupid today, as I was yesterday when I configured 4.3.2.

Now, I am not pushing Aqualung. Believe me, I dislike it intensely. But at least, I knew what I was getting with it. It was not glamorous, and there was no hoopla surrounding it.

Nope. I am blaming UBUNTU.

I am sorry to say that I have had similar problems with listening to music using Ubuntu.

So, let me end this angry speech on a positive note. Here's a WELL DONE distro, which those who are so enamored of Ubuntu may wish to study:
CRUNCHBANG. Another Ubuntu wannabee.

Crunchbang works right out of the box. None of this nonsensical trouble with this weird audio player or that strange beast, gxine??? Holy cow.

NOPE. Crunchbang uses VLC.

Why doesn't Puppy5 use VLC????

AHA. THAT's the real question, now isn't it. All this long palaver, and all I really wanted to complain about, was my inability to find, download or employ the best streaming audio software available, VLC. Not the browser, right? In fact, I don't care WHICH browser you give me, Sea Monkey, or Midori, or Chrome, or Opera, they are all the same to me. WHAT I CARE ABOUT is having VLC.

WHY? Because VLC is the only streaming audio player in my experience testing, 5 dozen different distros during the past year, that works every time, just the same way it does with windows 98 and XP.

So, here it is lobster, it isn't the browser that leads to finding "what's right for me", its the streaming audio player, and Puppy 5 ain't got one that works reliably.

Puppy 5: thumbs down, for me--> no VLC, no interest.

CAI ENG

[drongo]

@caieng,

The browser is there on the desktop. There is a world icon with the word browser underneath it. First time you click it you get the browser choice screen. Once you have selected one you have to click twice to answer two other dialogues.

Then you have to press the world icon again. This time it launches the browser you have selected - there is no new icon for Opera, Firefox or whatever. This may break some well-established UI paradigm (I'm pretty sure clicking an icon should always produce the same response!) but it worked for me.

This all presupposes that you have already set up the network interface. All I can say is, that as a long term Puppy user (5 years or more - has it really been that long?) it all seemed fairly intuitive. I'm not sure Puppy novices will be as used to clicking on things to see what they do. I foresee a lot of questions on this from new users, The current UI is so familiar it seems to be following Barry's "no-brainer" idea.

I'm not complaining it all works fine for me!

Best of luck with finding VLC in Ubuntu repositories, I can't find it, might have to use ttuuxxx's version.

P.S. Isn't it about time Puppy had a world icon showing Australia?

[Lobster]

Puppy 5: thumbs down, for me--> no VLC, no interest.

Good rant
Take two sedatives and a sip of chamomile tea . . .

VLC is good
I have put in a request because it plays better than
xine and I hope it will appear in Quickpet - I'll use it

Now the Ubuntu thing . . .
because of compatibility our compilers
can create a VLC or Opera for Puppy very quickly
- in hours rather than days

So it will be good for future usage

However . . . don't rant in vain
report as a bug
this way you might find it works in future
- giving you more options

I noticed two things with sound in Lucid (P5)
one it did not recognise my sound card
and was a little quiet. Solved by running setup

Barry will be synching a new Lucid building Woof
and many will be surprised that Puppy 5
has only been tested on a handful of hardware
but it soon will be tried on much more hardware . . .
as hordes of noobs arrive demanding a refund

Back to the browser - try these soothing sounds
http://www.soundsleeping.com/

[DaveS]

Midori, with the same features and stability as the version in Ubuntu Lucid!

[stu90]

Back to the browser - try these soothing sounds
http://www.soundsleeping.com/

cool link - sat here listening to the relaxing sounds of flutes, bird song and a creek

[caieng]

Back to the browser - try these soothing sounds
http://www.soundsleeping.com/

from that link:

Spicy foods and large meals before bedtime should be avoided, as the resulting stomach activity may reduce sleep quality.

This of course, is utter nonsense. Spicy food in no way inhibits sleep quality. An empty stomach inhibits sleep quality, and a full stomach impedes sleep, but a non-distended stomach with no food ingested x 3 hours before laying down, will not hinder a good night sleep, regardless of the concentration of cayenne in the cooking.

It is just such provincial thinking as this, that lead to release, prematurely in my view, of Puppy 5, sans VLC.

CAI ENG

[stu90]

caieng:

One of the great things about Puppy Linux is the ability to remaster a live CD/ISO, if you want a browser or VLC installed install them then remaster, upload your ISO and share.

[Ray MK]

Hi all

Opera Opera Opera - what makes you think I like Opera.

Best regards - Ray

[caieng]

...if you want a browser or VLC installed install them then...

thank you Stuart, much appreciated.

umm. Where to begin?

Ok, how about this: my idea of "installing" something is to click on an icon.

I have no knowledge, but only a sneaky suspicion, that "installing" anything in Linux is far more complicated than clicking on (which?) an icon.

I did spend a lot of time trying to find VLC in the list of software stored in some sort of repository, but to no avail. With XP, it is simple, one goes to the web site, and clicks once, and that's it. end of story.

regards,
CAI ENG

[drongo]

caieng,

I have described how to get a browser in my previous post. It is a relatively simple process.

Like you, however, I can't find VLC in the Lucid repositories. You need to click on the install icon at the top of the screen.

I don't know why the Lucid repositories appear to be so bare - they certainly don't have many apps in them.

[caieng]

You need to click on the install icon at the top of the screen.

Thank you, drongo.

Which screen would that be?

Thanks for your reply, and for affirming the paucity of applications in the software repository.....

regards,
CAI ENG

[drongo]

@caieng,

There should be an icon on the desktop labelled "install" (I can't check this right now as I am at work and don't have Quirky or Lupu to hand). It's definitely there on Quirky.

I have asked a question about the number of applications listed in the four repositories. So far there have been no replies from the eighty or so people who have read it.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=55407

[drongo]

Duplicate - not my fault