Lies about Weather and Climate

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Lies about Weather and Climate

#1 Post by musher0 »

Hi.

This is a light-hearted side topic on our numerous threads on the subject of Climate
Change, Climate Warming, etc.

I am not questioning or validating any opinion here, not taking sides. Just trying to
lighten the mood.

This comes as a kind of follow-up on my own reply to jafadmin's thread, here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... st#1051036

I dusted off that material a bit and re-discovered the Stith-Thompson list of folk motifs
index.

In short, the Aarne-Thompson international tales index came first. Then someone
realized that the tales had a lot of motifs (IOW: similar patterns, episodes or sub-
structures) in common, and came up with an independent index of those.

You may want to try to find the collections and read the actual tales in a public library,
but if you don't have the time, some of the summaries after the tiles below are in
themselves funny. At the end of the line, you'll find the countries of origin, and the
name of the collector who jotted down the tale.

My favorite is the last, dark-humored, one in the list:
Climate is so healthy in the village that the villagers decide to kill a fellow citizen
to start a cemetery.
(hehe)

My second favorite is the popcorn motif (yep, it exists!), See # X1633.1.

Have fun. :D
S. Thompson. Motif-index of folk-literature :
a classification of narrative elements in
folktales, ballads, myths, fables, mediaeval romances,
exempla, fabliaux, jest-books, and local legends.
(Excerpt from the index)
(...)
X1600-X1699. LIES ABOUT WEATHER AND CLIMATE.

X1602. †X1602. Lie: year with two summers and no winter. Canada: Baughman.

X1603. †X1603. Lie: year with two winters and no summer. It is winter all summer and in fall it gets colder. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1605. †X1605. Lie: mixed weather: summer in one spot and winter in another nearby. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1606. †X1606. Lies about changes in weather.

X1606.1. †X1606.1. Lies about quick change from cold to warm. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1606.2. †X1606.2. Lies about quick change in weather from warm to cold. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1606.2.1. †X1606.2.1. Man freezes to saddle. Must be thawed out by the stove. (First ed. †X924.) Pauli (ed. Bolte) No. 746.

X1610. †X1610. Lies about winds and storms.

X1611. †X1611. Lies about the wind. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1611.1. †X1611.1. Lies about big wind (cyclone, tornado). Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1620. †X1620. Lies about cold weather. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1623. †X1623. Lies about freezing. (Cf. †X1606.2.1.) U.S.: *Baughman.

X1623.1. †X1623.1. Lie: shadow freezes. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1623.2. †X1623.2. Lie: words freeze. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1623.2.1. †X1623.2.1. Lie: frozen words thaw out in the spring. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1623.3. †X1623.3. Lie: flame freezes: startling results. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1630. †X1630. Lies about hot weather. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1633. †X1633. Lie: effect of heat on animals.

X1633.1. †X1633.1. Lie: weather so hot that corn pops in fields, animals freeze to death thinking it has snowed. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1640. †X1640. Lies about dry weather.

X1642. †X1642. Lie: clouds beaten by man until they promise to water his crops thrice daily. India: Thompson-Balys.

X1643. †X1643. Lie: how dry weather affects animals. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1643.1. †X1643.1. Lie: bullfrogs several years old cannot swim -- have never had water to learn in. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1650. †X1650. Lies about precipitation and dampness.

X1651. †X1651. Lies about fog. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1651.1. †X1651.1. Lie: shingling the fog. Man shingling building during thick fog shingles several feet of fog when he gets beyond the roof line. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1651.2. †X1651.2. Ship sails on thick fog. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1653. †X1653. Lies about snow.

X1653.1. †X1653.1. Lie: fast-melting snow leaves horse dangling in air. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1653.2. †X1653.2. Lie: blue snow. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1653.3. †X1653.3. The man who sold dried snow for salt. (First ed. †X944.) Pauli (ed. Bolte) No. 747.

X1654. †X1654. Lies about rain.

X1654.1. †X1654.1. Lie: dry rain. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1654.2. †X1654.2. Lie: extraordinary floods produced by heavy rain. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1654.2.1. †X1654.2.1. Lie: heavy rain of boiling water melts palace. India: Thompson-Balys.

X1655. †X1655. Lies about extraordinary mud. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1655.1. †X1655.1. Lie: the man under the hat, which is the only thing seen above the mud. England, U.S.: *Baughman.

X1660. †X1660. Lies about climate.

X1663. †X1663. Lies about healthy atmosphere.

X1663.1. †X1663.1. Lie: air from healthy climate revives dying person. U.S.: *Baughman.

X1663.2. †X1663.2. Lie: place so healthful that residents shoot man to start cemetery. Canada, U.S.: *Baughman.
(...)
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#2 Post by 8Geee »

And of course your local weatherman has to lie/not tell the whole truth to keep the terrorists from making critical attack vector decisions. (no, REALLY!)

Although it doesn't snow (verb) blue I have seen fallen snow with a definate aquamarine cast (shade). And of couse glacial packs are known to calve in that shade of blue... quite good looking.

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#3 Post by bigpup »

It just started getting cold and raining, where I live.

Is that climate change?

Hey, it got dark outside :shock:
What is that all about :?:
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected :shock:
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#4 Post by musher0 »

Thanks, guys.

@8Gee: Yeah, you could create a new Motif, X1664: Lies from the weatherman!!!

@bigpup: Probably a variant of Motif X1606.2!!! ;)

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#5 Post by jafadmin »

Quote does NOT deliver; 1/10 :x

You promised climate, but delivered weather :roll:

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#6 Post by musher0 »

jafadmin wrote:Quote does NOT deliver; 1/10 :x

You promised climate, but delivered weather :roll:
Hi jafadmin.

Oh, don't be such a sourpuss! It's for fun!

I thought you'd be pleased that the first word of the title is "Lies"! ;)
Plus the title is verbatim from the Stith and Thompson catalog book. Blame them!
I'm only the messenger.

I will concede that most of their index was compiled before our "Climate Change" era.

It could be revisited from a more modern perspective, I suppose. Maybe you or
someone feels like writing a "climate" folk tale? :)

In any case, in the meantime, here, have some popcorn direct from the cob
-- due to climate warming (or not)!! :lol:

Image

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#7 Post by jafadmin »

Imagine getting that stuck between your teeth :shock:

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#8 Post by Moose On The Loose »

musher0 wrote:Thanks, guys.

@8Gee: Yeah, you could create a new Motif, X1664: Lies from the weatherman!!!

@bigpup: Probably a variant of Motif X1606.2!!! ;)

BFN.
I think on more than 1/2 the stations around here, the weather reporting person is female.

A good non-gendered word is "weatherguesser"

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#9 Post by 8Geee »

"weatherguesser"

Thats all its ever been...now we need Pro-fessionals to guess. :lol:
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#10 Post by musher0 »

Hi.

Here's one tale that should put a smile on your face:
Weatherlore
Arizona Weather
Southwest weatherlore
retold by
S.E. Schlosser

Well, some folks don't like the weather in Arizona, but I ain't one of 'em. Why, the air in
Arizona is so fine, tourists stop over the state line just to fill their tires with it. Course,
Arizona does get rather hot. But since we started shippin' in ice from California, our hens
don't lay hard boiled eggs no more.

As for folks who hate rain, why Arizona is just the spot. We haven't seen a drop of rain
in Arizona since Noah illegally parked his ark at the top of Mount Ararat. It's so dry, we
have to take our frogs to the pool to teach 'em how to swim. And never you mind saving
up for a rainy day, cause you'll never get to spend yer money.

So there it is in a nutshell. Why I like Arizona. Arizona is full of fine air and fine days.
Makes it great fer all them tourists who get a hankering to drive to that Grand Canyon
one of our old timers dug up while his wife wheeled the dirt away.
Source

On weatherlore generally: https://americanfolklore.net/folklore/weatherlore

Enjoy!
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#11 Post by musher0 »

Moose On The Loose wrote:
musher0 wrote:Thanks, guys.

@8Gee: Yeah, you could create a new Motif, X1664: Lies from the weatherman!!!

@bigpup: Probably a variant of Motif X1606.2!!! ;)

BFN.
I think on more than 1/2 the stations around here, the weather reporting person is female.

A good non-gendered word is "weatherguesser"
"Weatherman". How chauvinist of me! :lol:
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#12 Post by 8Geee »

My brother living in the adjacent state of Nevada remarks,
"The weather is so bad, even Lake Mead is leaving." Which kinda puts a new spin on the word 'drydock'. :shock:
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