Bionicpup64 8.0 CE

[bigpup]

That is not a bad idea.

However, some people have limited bandwidth, with a monthly data limit, before they have to pay more.

Wonder if they like that much checking and downloading of info?

I wonder if just a update warning, would be good, when PPM starts.

[RedQuine]

Both Virtualbox and VMWare seem to be broken in Quickpet. When I click them, I get a message about downloads being saved with Spot ownership, as if I were trying to install a browser. I then get a notification that devx and kernel sources need to be loaded (which they are), and when I click OK, nothing further happens.

I've been fiddling with Chrome-based browsers lately, so I was wondering if I'd somehow messed up Quickpet (although I've no idea how!), or if it's the same for everyone else.

The other buttons on the panel - Wine, Conky etc - still work OK.

Edit: oops, never mind! Just realised, it was because my default browser had become unset. Fixed via Default Applications Chooser.

[Rodney Byne]

Have OS on a flash drive with ample persistence.

While listening to a stream station on Simple GTK Radio,
its task bar minimise -button was accidentally pressed.

GTK applet dropped down to the system tray, sound
quickly stopped, mouse froze, keyboard was inoperative
& the whole OS hung.

The only way to recover out of this was a hard reset.

On reboot text, a little grumble statement noted but OS
returned to normal.
So am not going to attempt a repeatable test.

Nothing was disturbed following on, but begs the
question, what on earth could cause this to happen?

Is it worth someone taking a look?
Thanks in advance, regards.

[bigpup]

While listening to a stream station on Simple GTK Radio,
its task bar minimise -button was accidentally pressed.

Do Not Do This, Ever Again!
Problem solved.

Maybe a bug in the Simple GTK Radio
Do a search and see what pops up about this .
http://puppylinux.us/psearch.html

The boot up warning message was probably about you not doing a normal shutdown.
Puppy usually recovers OK and will do a normal next boot up.
However, if the not normal shutdown was really a bad one.
Maybe before stuff actually got written to the save.
That warning tells you stuff may or may not be working correctly.
Like some program you just installed, a document you did not save before the bad shutdown, etc.....

[Rodney Byne]

To bigpup,

ye-e-es well tongue-in-cheek aside, I repeated what I wrote
and GTK hasn't done it again since.

Although it make one wonder about undiscovered latent
bugs still lurking in distros generally.

eg. Some time ago, Puppy Tahr gave me a kernel panic out of
the blue, so reported that and had a rummage in the forum.
To my surprise another user had had exactly the same thing
happen to him before me with Tahr, so I moved on giving
Tahr a wide berth after that.

I realise devs don't have enough time to look too deeply
for anything that might be hidden, that's why amateur
testers are the guinea pigs.

Best regards.

[linuxcbon]

@666philb
Can you add "pulseaudio" ? (it is not installed, even if displayed as installed in the package manager).
And also "pavucontrol" , to be able to select the right microphone , thing that alsamixer cannot do with my usb webcam microphone.

[666philb]

@666philb
Can you add "pulseaudio" ? (it is not installed, even if displayed as installed in the package manager).
And also "pavucontrol" , to be able to select the right microphone , thing that alsamixer cannot do with my usb webcam microphone.

hi linuxcbon
i can't add pulseaudio as it's a complete nightmare in puppy. It doesn't run as root amongst other things. have you tried running your application with apulse?

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apulse application

[linuxcbon]

hi linuxcbon
i can't add pulseaudio as it's a complete nightmare in puppy. It doesn't run as root amongst other things. have you tried running your application with apulse?

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apulse application

apulse or alsa doesnt solve my microphone problems. I think I succeeded once compiling pulseaudio. When I get the time, I could try again to see if it works.

[Revolverve]

philb666
Quickpet Freecad sfs of appimage ,with menu,nice job.
App.image usage not worth it for all package,if available(here provided by freecad team),in this case it does.
Thanks again.

[watchdog]

I think I succeeded once compiling pulseaudio. When I get the time, I could try again to see if it works.

I think no need to compile. Try to install pulseaudio by PPM even if it's declared already installed. Then search with pfind for default.pa. Some tweaking of that file generally makes useable the pulseaudio daemon starting it in a console. Not yet tried in bionicpup64.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 004#957004

[Ether]

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does Bionicpup64 8.0 CE have a RemasterCoW script?

If not, what's the procedure for creating an SFS of the changes?
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[Ether]

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Is there a way to boot bionic pup 64 8.0 CE so that it pops up a message at shutdown asking if I want to save changes, and does so ONLY IF I approve it?

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[ETP]

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Is there a way to boot bionic pup 64 8.0 CE so that it pops up a message at shutdown asking if I want to save changes, and does so ONLY IF I approve it?

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Hi Ether,

Adopt the settings as at the bottom of the shot below. Puppy Event Manager is an item on the System menu.
IMHO it is the best feature of Puppy.

[bigpup]

If Bionicpup is installed on a hard drive you will probably be running in pupmode 12.
So, the option to ask to save at shutdown will not be offered.

You need to be running in pupmode 13.

To be running in pupmode 13.
Edit the boot menu entry that you use to do a normal boot.
Change the pmedia=atahd to pmedia=usbflash.

Running in pupmode 13.
Understand that only stuff is put into the save by the save interval set time to save, the save icon on desktop, or at shutdown.
Most of the time, changes are in a save ramdisk.
Nothing has yet been put in the actual save file/folder.

[Ether]

If Bionicpup is installed on a hard drive you will probably be running in pupmode 12.

Puppy Event Manager says PUPMODE=5.

So, the option to ask to save at shutdown will not be offered.

Yes, that's what happens: It just automatically saves the changes to my save folder without asking if I want to or not.

Once I get everything working the way I want it, I don't want Puppy messing with my save folder. What's the best way to achieve that ?

Then, when I do want to make a change, I will first make a backup of the save folder in case the change messes everything up.

You need to be running in pupmode 13.

To be running in pupmode 13.
Edit the boot menu entry that you use to do a normal boot.
Change the pmedia=atahd to pmedia=usbflash.

Should I do this even if Puppy is frugal installed to the hard disk?

Running in pupmode 13.
Understand that only stuff is put into the save by the save interval set time to save...

How do I set that to "do not save" ?

... the save icon on desktop, or at shutdown.
Most of the time, changes are in a save ramdisk.
Nothing has yet been put in the actual save file/folder.

OK, thank you, I will try that suggestion.

What happens if the RAMdisk fills up? Will it use a swap partition if one is present ?
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[bigpup]

Puppy Event Manager says PUPMODE=5

That pupmode is running not using a save.

What is the frugal install on???
Is the frugal install on a hard drive?
If yes.
Are you using the boot menu entry for a normal boot?
If yes.
That should make it boot running in pupmode 12.

[Ether]

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Puppy Event Manager says PUPMODE=5

That pupmode is running not using a save.

Sorry. I was unclear.

It says PUPMODE=5 when I use pfix=ram

It says PUPMODE=12 when I use pfix=fschk

What is the frugal install on??? [ATA hard disk sda3]
Is the frugal install on a hard drive? [ATA hard disk sda3]
If yes.
Are you using the boot menu entry for a normal boot? [see boot code below]
If yes.
That should make it boot running in pupmode 12. [yes, with pfix=fschk]

Here is the boot code using the suggested pmedia=usbflash :

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title Bpup64 ASK TO SAVE !
rootnoverify (hd0,2)
kernel /Bpup64/vmlinuz pmedia=usbflash psubdir=Bpup64
initrd /Bpup64/initrd.gz

The above seems to work (i.e. it seems to leave the save folder unchanged); I haven't tested it very thoroughly yet. But what are the ramifications (pun intended) of doing that? What happens if I run out of RAM ... like during an extended Firefox browsing/downloading session? If I have a swap partition, will it be used by Puppy in pmedia=usbflash mode? Does that swap partition have to be on the same physical disk? How about a swap file instead of swap partition? What if there's no swap available ?

Here is what I am trying to achieve: I want to boot to a save folder that has all my static settings, and I don't want that save folder to be changed unless I specifically request it to be changed.

Here is how I am trying to accomplish that :

• create a save folder to store the settings I want so I don't have to manually enter them each time I boot. For example: time zone, puppy updates, labels on partition icons, firefox bookmarks and logins to frequently visited pages, various small apps, etc etc etc
  
  do NOT change the save folder unless I specifically request to do so.
  
  Use "Program Folders" outside of my save folder to reduce the size of my save folder so it is less time-consuming to make frequent backkups when I want to try new changes.

What is the recommended way to do what I want? Is there some other way to do this that I am not seeing?


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[mikeslr]

Hi Ether,

I don't know the benefits/disadvantages of a swapfile vs. a swap-partition. As to your other questions, perhaps this post will help. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 066#974066. As I prefer SaveFiles to SaveFolders, I'm particularly concerned about their being filled with anything unnecessary. But the bulk of that post can be applied when SaveFolders are used.

There is one other thing you might consider: not using either a SaveFile or a SaveFolder. See, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 470#944470. My exploration of this technique has temporarily been derailed. As I recall, there are basically two draw-backs to be overcome. One is to get rid of the nag at shutdown/reboot which results from Puppy, seeing that you don't have a SaveFile/Folder, will ask if you want to create one. As I recall, a one-time change in the shutdown code can solve that. The second drawback is that changing and preserving which SFSes are to be loaded on bootup requires some fiddling with /etc each time you want to make a change.

As I was typing this it occurred to me that they may be a user-friendly middle-ground. (1) After creating a small SaveFile to hold settings (wifi, etc.) convert it to an adrv.sfs. Adrvs are READ-ONLY and will always be loaded on bootup if present. (2) Reboot and create another small SaveFile. With a SaveFile and Save Session set to 0(zero) and "Ask at Shutdown" NOT checked, you can easily change which SFS is to be loaded on bootup preserving that change by Clicking the Save Icon on your desktop (or typing 'save2flash' in a terminal). If you load/unload SFSes ONLY immediately after rebooting, nothing other than that change will be preserved in the SaveFile.

But it also occurs to me that SaveFiles have priority over adrv.sfses -- so the first step isn't necessary.

Do remember, however, that Google-Chrome (& clones) reside in either /root/spot or /home/spot. Changes to them --new bookmarks and addons-- are only preserved if a Save is executed.

P.S. Either nic007's Remaster Suite, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 89#1001289 or Shinobar's remasterx, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 345#780345 make it easy to include applications in your READ-ONLY OS rather than having to use a large READ-WRITE SaveFile/Folder.

[Ether]

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As I prefer SaveFiles to SaveFolders...

May I ask why?

I gave up on save files because :

1) if you make them too small and don't pay close attention. they can fill up during a long session and crash the system ... and the savefile gets corrupted

2) if you address problem #1 above by making them a lot bigger than they need to be, they take up space on that partition that can't be used by other puppy installations.

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[watchdog]

I prefer savefiles, too. The backup (duplicate) of a savefile is faster. I use 1 Gb large savefiles that is enough for my usual needs. Then savefiles can be copied-installed in not-linux-formatted partitions. Is there a script to convert a savefolder in a savefile?