Ok, here goes.
I bought a Toshiba Satellite laptop that has Win7 64 bit installed.
The laptop has an AMD Turion dual core processor and 4 gigs of ram.
When I got it, it was very speedy and fun to use.
But then Microsoft Update got it's hands on it and installed a bunch of updates and a service pack.
Now the laptop runs at the speed of a ten year old machine.
By the way, Puppy flies on it.
So do you think Microsoft cripples computers with their updates and service packs so as to encourage the user to update to the next version of their OS?
Does Microsoft sabatoge their own OSes
Re: Does Microsoft sabatoge their own OSes
For me, this has happened with every Windows install. I spent some time trying to figure out why (disabling services, uninstalling programs, etc) but came to to the conclusion that the only way to have decent performance was to periodically reinstall the os.8-bit wrote:Now the laptop runs at the speed of a ten year old machine.
Possibly. I also think it tends to encourage users to prematurely upgrade their hardware.8-bit wrote:So do you think Microsoft cripples computers with their updates and service packs so as to encourage the user to update to the next version of their OS?
From my experience, people tend to view the computer's performance as something that decays over time.
"My computer has become unbearably slow. It is two years old so I guess its time for a new one."
IMO, a computer is not a mechanical device and should not decay over time. That is a feature of the operating system.
I have a eight year old computer with a Pentium 4 and one gb of ram. It runs linux fine
8-bit
Almost....
They have to issue updates/patches, because the release is flawed and broken....and hackers/crackers like to wreck it with viruses/hacks/cracks
It will always be that way, because of the REGISTRY
It fills up with everything you ever did/tried/loaded every software and hardware, every site you visited and every site that wants to grab your info, and it gets scrambled, as does the hard drive partition
Both the hard drive and registry need de-fragging...but M$ don't tell you that...so yes, they'd sooner you buy the latest version...and new hardware to run it!
Re-installing gets rid of a lot of that, thus speeding it up..... till the next time
PUPPY on the other hand, is designed to be fast, and stay fast
Tough choice, eh? 
Aitch
Almost....
They have to issue updates/patches, because the release is flawed and broken....and hackers/crackers like to wreck it with viruses/hacks/cracks
It will always be that way, because of the REGISTRY
It fills up with everything you ever did/tried/loaded every software and hardware, every site you visited and every site that wants to grab your info, and it gets scrambled, as does the hard drive partition
Both the hard drive and registry need de-fragging...but M$ don't tell you that...so yes, they'd sooner you buy the latest version...and new hardware to run it!
Re-installing gets rid of a lot of that, thus speeding it up..... till the next time
PUPPY on the other hand, is designed to be fast, and stay fast
Tough choice, eh?
Aitch
Tough choice? 
Maybe I did not mention that I have Vista on one PC , XP on another and Win7 on yet another.
They set unused other that once in a great while letting them boot to update the antivirus and the OS.
In other words, Puppy is the OS of choice on all of them!
One laptop that has XP on it is of no use to me when running XP.
Why?
With XP and the antivirus battling for Processor use, I do not sand any chance of doing anything I want to do.
It is either waiting on XP or the antivirus to stop hogging processor time.
At least with Puppy on that laptop, I can actually use it.
Maybe I did not mention that I have Vista on one PC , XP on another and Win7 on yet another.
They set unused other that once in a great while letting them boot to update the antivirus and the OS.
In other words, Puppy is the OS of choice on all of them!
One laptop that has XP on it is of no use to me when running XP.
Why?
With XP and the antivirus battling for Processor use, I do not sand any chance of doing anything I want to do.
It is either waiting on XP or the antivirus to stop hogging processor time.
At least with Puppy on that laptop, I can actually use it.
I've had some success with windows. First rule is to turn off the automatic updates. Second rule is to use it only as an extension of your linux system..purely to run software as needed. Use the linux computer for everything else, like browsing the internet. That way, it shouldn't need much more than a firewall, and it should last a while.
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reckrhodes
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some windows tweaking advice here: http://www.blackviper.com/
*edit*
hadn't been over there for some time as i haven't needed to tweak xp or vista in a while and notice that he's updated his site and now has a forum with a linux section featuring a 'distro of choice' thread with no mention of puppy. perhaps someone could head over to do a bit of promotion?
*edit*
hadn't been over there for some time as i haven't needed to tweak xp or vista in a while and notice that he's updated his site and now has a forum with a linux section featuring a 'distro of choice' thread with no mention of puppy. perhaps someone could head over to do a bit of promotion?
ohm's where the art is
Without a doubt.
I have an eeepc that I bought specifically for putting puppeee on. The other week I booted into windows xp for the first time (I've had it for a year). It actually booted faster than puppeee and ran well, but it is a virgin install that's never seen the internet nor an update or had anything installed on it. I know from experience that XP, when actually used for a while, is as slow as anything. If I used it for a while, I'm confident that I would end up formatting it off the drive for good from frustration at its slowness!
As Aitch said, the registry is the flaw in windows. Well, one of them..
ps, look up wintel - it might be a conspiracy theory, but its a good one
I have an eeepc that I bought specifically for putting puppeee on. The other week I booted into windows xp for the first time (I've had it for a year). It actually booted faster than puppeee and ran well, but it is a virgin install that's never seen the internet nor an update or had anything installed on it. I know from experience that XP, when actually used for a while, is as slow as anything. If I used it for a while, I'm confident that I would end up formatting it off the drive for good from frustration at its slowness!
As Aitch said, the registry is the flaw in windows. Well, one of them..
ps, look up wintel - it might be a conspiracy theory, but its a good one
Here is something else to think on.
When you buy a PC, it normally comes with some version of Windows on it. And It wants to be activated with a statement that it will go into a crippled mode if you do not.
But with the cloud thing getting news, just imagine if MS took it into their head to charge per use of their OS.
You would be charged for the amount of time you used the OS irregardless of what applications you ran.
Also, has anyone that has installed Windows ever took the time to read the license agreement to the end?
Everything that you install from MS has one.
I am sure a lot of people do not read it and might be surprised as to what they are agreeing with and to.
And what happens if you do not agree?
The application fails to install.
I do not know what happens if you do not agree to the license agreement on a preinstalled version of the OS.
When you buy a PC, it normally comes with some version of Windows on it. And It wants to be activated with a statement that it will go into a crippled mode if you do not.
But with the cloud thing getting news, just imagine if MS took it into their head to charge per use of their OS.
You would be charged for the amount of time you used the OS irregardless of what applications you ran.
Also, has anyone that has installed Windows ever took the time to read the license agreement to the end?
Everything that you install from MS has one.
I am sure a lot of people do not read it and might be surprised as to what they are agreeing with and to.
And what happens if you do not agree?
The application fails to install.
I do not know what happens if you do not agree to the license agreement on a preinstalled version of the OS.
8-bit it can be my lack of reading skills but on idg.se which is our version of PCWorld Mag there was an article from a Computer news text that says that European Union may accept a law that required that every computer that was allowed access to the internet by a ISP had to show that it had a certificate from Ms Windows that it had the needed AntiVirus and Firewall and no program installed that not had been cleared by them.
Maybe I misunderstood it all it was in Swedish and most likely translated from English to Swedish and then back to English by me so room for plenty levels of misunderstanding but as I get it.
That European Union Law would forbid us to use Linux without first having an up to date Ms Windows certificate of the Windows install.
And the ISP by law required to check this would make it impossible to go on line without it due to not be given any IP at all.
Nothing can work except getting a neighbor to accept one use their wifi or something if one have no windows with certificate.
A nightmare indeed.
Maybe I misunderstood it all it was in Swedish and most likely translated from English to Swedish and then back to English by me so room for plenty levels of misunderstanding but as I get it.
That European Union Law would forbid us to use Linux without first having an up to date Ms Windows certificate of the Windows install.
And the ISP by law required to check this would make it impossible to go on line without it due to not be given any IP at all.
Nothing can work except getting a neighbor to accept one use their wifi or something if one have no windows with certificate.
A nightmare indeed.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though
not an ideal solution though
Re: Does Microsoft sabatoge their own OSes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence8-bit wrote:So do you think Microsoft cripples computers with their updates and service packs so as to encourage the user to update to the next version of their OS?
There's even a section about planned obsolescence in software
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Bill_Gates
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Re: Does Microsoft sabatoge their own OSes
8-bit wrote: So do you think Microsoft cripples computers with their updates and service packs so as to encourage the user to update to the next version of their OS?
-Bill
[b][i]"Who needs M$ - Puppy Rules!"[/i][/b] :P
[b][i]"Who needs M$ - Puppy Rules!"[/i][/b] :P
I've also experienced PCs which run XP very nicely, for while!
Then the slowdown!
Here's my solution, it works GREAT for me!
I ONLY use portable apps - the definition of a GENUINELY portable app is one which does not touch the registry, does not use temp dirs or the 'documents and settings' folders.
With only portable apps installed, you rarely use the registry, or even any folders outside the folder in which the app itself is installed.
Windows temporary folders are barely used..
The added benefits, I can put it all on USB, take them anywhere!
The easiest way is to download the full LiberKey suite from their site.
Some of my fave portable apps include VLC portable, KMPlayer portable, CCleaner Portable, Asuite, SuperAntiSpyware, Kameleon, OpenOffice Portable, etc
How I got going:
- I started uninstalling all of my programs, so that I had only a very bare, old XP install remaining...
- I ran lots of tools on the barebones XP install, such as ComboFiX, CCeaner, SuperAntiSpyware, and some other system cleaners..
- I then created a folder, C:\PortableApps
- I then downloaded loads of portable apps from PortableApps.com, Liberkey.com, Nirsoft, PortableFreeware.com, and so on...
- I unpacked them all into C:\PortableApps
- I set CCleaner to auto clean everything, at boot and shutdown - nice, fast, system cleanup.
- Finally, I used the "Asuite" app, to create a nice menu for all my apps...
The results:
I now have a nice Windows install.. Well, nice for Windows, anyway... I barely use it, but at least the system doesn't rot when I do!
You can even manage your file associations through portable apps, easiest to do through Liberkey.... This means - and think about the security of this, as well as reduced registry mess - you don't even need Windows to know how to open anything!!! Quite secure, in many situations, IMHO..
Then the slowdown!
Here's my solution, it works GREAT for me!
I ONLY use portable apps - the definition of a GENUINELY portable app is one which does not touch the registry, does not use temp dirs or the 'documents and settings' folders.
With only portable apps installed, you rarely use the registry, or even any folders outside the folder in which the app itself is installed.
Windows temporary folders are barely used..
The added benefits, I can put it all on USB, take them anywhere!
The easiest way is to download the full LiberKey suite from their site.
Some of my fave portable apps include VLC portable, KMPlayer portable, CCleaner Portable, Asuite, SuperAntiSpyware, Kameleon, OpenOffice Portable, etc
How I got going:
- I started uninstalling all of my programs, so that I had only a very bare, old XP install remaining...
- I ran lots of tools on the barebones XP install, such as ComboFiX, CCeaner, SuperAntiSpyware, and some other system cleaners..
- I then created a folder, C:\PortableApps
- I then downloaded loads of portable apps from PortableApps.com, Liberkey.com, Nirsoft, PortableFreeware.com, and so on...
- I unpacked them all into C:\PortableApps
- I set CCleaner to auto clean everything, at boot and shutdown - nice, fast, system cleanup.
- Finally, I used the "Asuite" app, to create a nice menu for all my apps...
The results:
I now have a nice Windows install.. Well, nice for Windows, anyway... I barely use it, but at least the system doesn't rot when I do!
You can even manage your file associations through portable apps, easiest to do through Liberkey.... This means - and think about the security of this, as well as reduced registry mess - you don't even need Windows to know how to open anything!!! Quite secure, in many situations, IMHO..
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Not for nothing do I advocate no updates.
Worse than useless.
Welcome to the Lemmings Society.
Need to read up my Fix Windows post mate.
""""""""
Clean with Puppy.
Delete System Restore first in Puppy
= System Volume Information
Delete the files in >> Windows\Temp
And delete the recycle bin >> RECYCLER
Reset >> Internet Explorer >> reset to default settings.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/wind ... 7-settings
Download another browser...IE is a pig.
I use Pale Moon portable = Firefox without the crap.
Portable Opera is good.
http://www.palemoon.org/
http://www.opera.com/browser/features/
Opera@USB
http://www.opera-usb.com/
/////////
Run Ccleaner
http://majorgeeks.com/CCleaner_Slim_d4191.html
In the setup untick all but Desktop icon.
And it can stop the startups in that program.
It can wipe free space...not your drive OK
I don't use the Registry part though..
I use Tuneup Utilities 2009...no problems.
""""""
Java
In the Windows control panel check if you have Java.
Click on the icon and Java panel opens up.
Click on temporary internet files...settings.
Set the Disk space to zero, or 1 meg, whatever.
Update:
Turn it off >> Select >> Never.
A pop up will nag you not to.
Ignore it.
Advanced:
In Miscellaneous
>> untick >> Place Java icon in system tray.
"""""
Internet options:
While you are still in Windows Control panel,
click on Internet options.
Delete the cookies.
Delete files and tick the box
on delete All Offline Content
Set the History to Zero and clear the history
I set the cache to 50 megs.
Updates:
In XP I never go past Service Pack 2.
Turn it off -
""""""""""""
planning risky things on the internet in Windows, use Returnil.
I use Returnil Virtual System 2008 Personal - 2.0.1.9002
It's all here...per usual...
Returnil old version is updated on page 4
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=58305
"""""""
sc0ttman:
Yes that's what I do.
Run many apps in another folder...portable versions.
Tried Radio Sure...great program too.
Chris.
Worse than useless.
Welcome to the Lemmings Society.
Need to read up my Fix Windows post mate.
""""""""
Clean with Puppy.
Delete System Restore first in Puppy
= System Volume Information
Delete the files in >> Windows\Temp
And delete the recycle bin >> RECYCLER
Reset >> Internet Explorer >> reset to default settings.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/wind ... 7-settings
Download another browser...IE is a pig.
I use Pale Moon portable = Firefox without the crap.
Portable Opera is good.
http://www.palemoon.org/
http://www.opera.com/browser/features/
Opera@USB
http://www.opera-usb.com/
/////////
Run Ccleaner
http://majorgeeks.com/CCleaner_Slim_d4191.html
In the setup untick all but Desktop icon.
And it can stop the startups in that program.
It can wipe free space...not your drive OK
I don't use the Registry part though..
I use Tuneup Utilities 2009...no problems.
""""""
Java
In the Windows control panel check if you have Java.
Click on the icon and Java panel opens up.
Click on temporary internet files...settings.
Set the Disk space to zero, or 1 meg, whatever.
Update:
Turn it off >> Select >> Never.
A pop up will nag you not to.
Ignore it.
Advanced:
In Miscellaneous
>> untick >> Place Java icon in system tray.
"""""
Internet options:
While you are still in Windows Control panel,
click on Internet options.
Delete the cookies.
Delete files and tick the box
on delete All Offline Content
Set the History to Zero and clear the history
I set the cache to 50 megs.
Updates:
In XP I never go past Service Pack 2.
Turn it off -
""""""""""""
planning risky things on the internet in Windows, use Returnil.
I use Returnil Virtual System 2008 Personal - 2.0.1.9002
It's all here...per usual...
Returnil old version is updated on page 4
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=58305
"""""""
sc0ttman:
Yes that's what I do.
Run many apps in another folder...portable versions.
Tried Radio Sure...great program too.
Chris.
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Just saw this on Majorgeeks
http://www.xp-smoker.com/refreshpc.html
" RefreshPC is a utility to return select registry settings and
all Windows services to their default state. "
Chris.
http://www.xp-smoker.com/refreshpc.html
" RefreshPC is a utility to return select registry settings and
all Windows services to their default state. "
Chris.
The license agreement mentions the "Windows Genuine Advantage"8-bit wrote:Also, has anyone that has installed Windows ever took the time to read the license agreement to the end?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _Advantage
The scary part:
Data collected
Windows Genuine Advantage checks the following components:[14][15]
Computer make and model
BIOS checksum.
MAC address.
A unique number assigned to the user's computer by the tools (Globally Unique Identifier or GUID)
Hard drive serial number.
Region and language settings of the operating system.
Operating system version.
PC BIOS information (make, version, date).
PC manufacturer.
User locale setting.
Validation and installation results.
Windows or Office product key.
Windows product ID.