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A Post Apocalypse OS : Collapse OS

Posted: Thu 10 Oct 2019, 10:42
by labbe5
https://collapseos.org/

The goal of this project is to be as self-contained as possible. With a copy of this project, a capable and creative person should be able to manage to build and install Collapse OS without external resources (i.e. internet) on a machine of her design, built from scavenged parts with low-tech tools.

scavenger electronics

I expect our global supply chain to collapse before we reach 2030. With this collapse, we won't be able to produce most of our electronics because it depends on a very complex supply chain that we won't be able to achieve again for decades (ever?).
The fast rate of progress we've seen since the advent of electronics happened in very specific conditions that won't be there post-collapse, so we can't hope to be able to bootstrap new electronic technology as fast we did without a good "starter kit" to help us do so.
Electronics yield enormous power, a power that will give significant advantages to communities that manage to continue mastering it. This will usher a new age of scavenger electronics: parts can't be manufactured any more, but we have billions of parts lying around. Those who can manage to create new designs from those parts with low-tech tools will be very powerful.
Among these scavenged parts are microcontrollers, which are especially powerful but need complex tools (often computers) to program them. Computers, after a couple of decades, will break down beyond repair and we won't be able to program microcontrollers any more.
To avoid this fate, we need to have a system that can be designed from scavenged parts and program microcontrollers. We also need the generation of engineers that will follow us to be able to create new designs instead of inheriting a legacy of machines that they can't recreate and barely maintain.
This is where Collapse OS comes in.

This project is only relevant if the collapse is of a specific magnitude. A weak-enough collapse and it's useless (just a few fabs that close down, a few wars here and there, hunger, disease, but people are nevertheless able to maintain current technology levels). A big enough collapse and it's even more useless (who needs microcontrollers when you're running away from cannibals).

https://collapseos.org/why.html

Further reading :
Collapse OS
https://github.com/hsoft/collapseos

More and more people see the future as bleak, especially kids that have 40, 50, 60, 70 years in front of them. Is it a self-fulfilling prophecy?

What do you do to help mitigate the ongoing destruction of ecosystems, the pollution of air, water and soil, the ever increasing output of CO2, the disappearing of more and more animal, insect and bird species, the fragility of supply chains around the world that could collapse in the blink of an eye (our own ecosystem in which we live and prosper)?

No wonder a developer thinks about scavanging parts of electronics in a post apocalyptic world.

Posted: Thu 10 Oct 2019, 11:33
by backi
This project looks quite cutting Edge .
A new Frontier ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6b8IIZpNkU
who needs microcontrollers when you're running away from cannibals
Keep cool man ......no Panic .

What about farming Tips ?

Re: A Post Apocalypse OS : Collapse OS

Posted: Thu 10 Oct 2019, 12:02
by s243a
labbe5 wrote:https://collapseos.org/


Further reading :
Collapse OS
https://github.com/hsoft/collapseos
This is probably the more relavant info. From the above github link:

1. Run on minimal and improvised machines.
2. Interface through improvised means (serial, keyboard, display).
3. Edit text files.
4. Compile assembler source files for a wide range of MCUs and CPUs.
5. Read and write from a wide range of storage devices.
6. Replicate itself.

Additionally, the goal of this project is to be as self-contained as possible. With a copy of this project, a capable and creative person should be able to manage to build and install Collapse OS without external resources (i.e. internet) on a machine of her design, built from scavenged parts with low-tech tools.

Posted: Fri 11 Oct 2019, 02:18
by Lobster
Wot no Puppy XR? :P
https://rebellion.earth/act-now/resources
... Nope no Linux section yet ... :lol:

Puppy Linux
for when we have no dogs

Re: A Post Apocalypse OS : Collapse OS

Posted: Fri 11 Oct 2019, 11:45
by Computer semi-expert
labbe5 wrote:More and more people see the future as bleak, especially kids that have 40, 50, 60, 70 years in front of them.
Oh, but you forget. The world will end in 11 years (if you believe Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez). So there really is no need for Collapse OS!

In all seriousness, though, AOC is wrong. For the last 50 years, people have been setting end-of-the-world dates and have always been wrong. So why should we believe another doomsday prophecy?

Re: A Post Apocalypse OS : Collapse OS

Posted: Fri 11 Oct 2019, 11:45
by Computer semi-expert
labbe5 wrote:More and more people see the future as bleak, especially kids that have 40, 50, 60, 70 years in front of them.
Oh, but you forget. The world will end in 11 years (if you believe Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez). So there really is no need for Collapse OS!

In all seriousness, though, AOC is wrong. For the last 50 years, people have been setting end-of-the-world dates and have always been wrong. So why should we believe another doomsday prophecy?

Posted: Fri 11 Oct 2019, 16:03
by musher0
Hello labbe5, Computer semi-expert and all.

For the past 50 years? That's funny!

You're forgetting predictions concerning the end of the world in the Hindu religion and the
Ancient Aztecs (perhaps others), written down 2,000 years ago or more!

Also, Christianity believed that the year 1,000 was the year to end all years.
(Come to think of it, maybe it should have...)

BFN.

Posted: Fri 11 Oct 2019, 17:27
by backi
One of the most annoying Outlooks on the End of the World (of Life) is....Life still goes on without you.... (and me) .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsffxGyY4ck

Hasta la vista !

Posted: Fri 11 Oct 2019, 20:52
by musher0
Given that the human species produces more idiots than bright lights at every generation
(including me!), and we have built ourselves a reputation for
-- killing each other in the millions, in the name of this or that religion,
-- turning on your parents, friends, spouses and allies at one time or another,
IMO, it's time we pass the flag to wiser species: bears, wolves, dolphins, salmons,
octopuses, etc.

No regrets, really. It's not been such a good ride anyway (speaking for myself, here).

Posted: Sat 12 Oct 2019, 12:18
by backi
Thumbs up Musher !

Posted: Sat 12 Oct 2019, 18:27
by jafadmin
This is a great idea. I should know since I have survived the end of the world four times so far. Twice from a new Ice Age, once from a global flood, and most recently from anthropogenic global warming.

If there is one thing we have learned from five thousand years of recorded human history, it's that it's never too late to prepare for the end of the world. 375,00 Witch Doctors and Shamen can't all be wrong, right? 8)

Posted: Sat 12 Oct 2019, 19:16
by musher0
I am convinced a wise octopus would be the best Secretary General the UN has ever had.

Posted: Sat 12 Oct 2019, 20:11
by backi
Hi musher !
Maybe you are some kind of late .

As you surely have recognized before..... i am somehow into Conspiracy Theories .
Hence my obsession with this Kind of Topics .

I presume you are thinking about some benevolent Octopussic Intelligence .

But what if some kind of (alien ?) Octopussic Intelligence is already in Charge...... ??
(A.I. Artificial Intelligence on biological/cellular Base ??)

.....and is it benevolent/wise in a human Sense ?
Who knows .

What about this ?

The NSA and the Octopus – The NSA Is Trying to Intimidate You .
https://defacingcurrency.wordpress.com/ ... idate-you/
.
Intelligent 5G: When Cellular Networks Meet Artificial Intelligence
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... telligence

Are we already controlled by non human/alien Intelligence(s) ?

....Most likely....
(Seems i am some kind of late too) .

Posted: Sat 12 Oct 2019, 22:09
by musher0
Given the historical record of us humans, it is / will be / certainly for the better!!!

Look at it this way:
an octopus has eight arms, we only have two;
an octopus has nine brains: a main brain and a sub-brain for each of its arms.
We humans only have one brain.

That says it all, I think!

Posted: Sun 13 Oct 2019, 07:33
by backi
Hi musher !

Seems you are right.
I am a a confessing Misanthrope .

Human Being the Crown of Creation ? ............what foolish self-deception ....just an urban Myth .
Let the Octopuses take over .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtvlBS4PMF0
Power to the Octopi.... right now .

Posted: Sun 13 Oct 2019, 11:42
by wiak
Oh good, Collapse OS uses Z80 kernel. Fortunately, I have written many a program in Z80 assembly code, and just came across a big folder of mine full of them a week or two ago. No worries then mate.

wiak