Puppy Squeeze 009 Development

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edoc · #981 Post by **edoc** » Fri 26 Nov 2010, 21:37

Insidious worked fine on our older z500 laptop.

Luci-239 got further on the z500 laptop here than on my CF-29 but still troubles - it would not recognize the wireless nic BCM5705.

dpup009 works fine.

Notes: I was able to load the Seamonkey 2.0.10 SFS on all of them. I added the WINE 1.3.7 SFS but haven't tested it yet.

Jim1911 · #982 Post by **Jim1911** » Sat 27 Nov 2010, 00:30

Iguleder wrote:Uploaded a "release candidate", it's here. The directory also has the nvidia driver.

New frugal installation is working great. Amazing speed and stability and everything, including the nvidia driver, video playback, and scanning just works well. This extra software has been installed and works well. A pleasant surprise was the packages that work on Lucid, and also Xiphos using the ppm.

=== /initrd/tmp/EXTRASFSS ===
amarok-1.4-lucid.sfs
Bibletime_lucid-2.7.2a.sfs
java_jre-6u22-Lucid-sfs4.sfs
LibreOffice_3.3.0_beta2_sfs4.sfs
=== User Installed Pkgs (PPM) ===
Package Description
nvidia-260.19.21-k2.6.32.26 nvidia gpu drivers
PupApps-1.1_BETA3 PupApps launcher
PupClockset-1.0 PupClockset utility
PupControl-1.0 PupControl panel
PupShutdown-1.4 PupShutdown manager
PupSnap-1.1 PupSnap screen capture
scrot_0.8-13 scrot CLI screen capture
gnome-games-Lite_2.26.1-i486-dpup Gnome Games
libgtkhtml3.14-19-3.30.3-1 HTML rendering/editing library - runtime files
libgtkhtml-editor-common-3.30.3-1 HTML rendering/editing library - editor widget data
libicu44-4.4.2-1 International Components for Unicode
xiphos-3.1.3-3 environment for Bible reading, study, and research
libclucene0ldbl-0.9.21b-2+b1 library for full-featured text search engine (runtime)
libgtkhtml-editor0-3.30.3-1 HTML rendering/editing library - editor widget
libsword8-1.6.1+dfsg-2+b1 API/library for bible software
xiphos-data-3.1.3-3 data files for Xiphos Bible study software
xiphos-3.1.3-3 environment for Bible reading, study, and research
pwidgets-2.3.1 Pwidgets tiny desktop apps
LHP_sys_info-0.3 Lighthouse System Information & Video Report
hplip-3.9.12-scan HP Scanner Drivers

Cheers,
Jim

edoc · #983 Post by **edoc** » Sat 27 Nov 2010, 02:56

On my older Panasonic Toughbook CF-28 Insidious brings up a blank screen and only CTRL-Backspace/CTRL-ESC/CTRL-DEL can break out to a reboot.

On the same machine spup040 works fine.

Fluppy008 loads OK but pwireless refuses to recognize the wireless nic.

dpup009, which works flawlessly on my CF-29, has the same blank screen problem as Insidious.

luci-239 shows a "cat: /tc/oldmousedevice error then drops to a command prompt for xorgwizard. No setting in xorg is accepted - just loops back to the command prompt. Choosing Vesa is rewarded with a blank screen from which CTRL-Backspace recovers to the command prompt.

Hopefully some of this is helpful to someone ...

James C · #984 Post by **James C** » Sat 27 Nov 2010, 03:10

Fresh manual frugal install on my old P3 test box.Initial boot had working internet and sound...no problem setting desired 1024x768x24 resolution.

VIDEO REPORT: Insidious Puppy, version 001

Chip description:
Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (GMCH) Graphics Memory Controller Hub
Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller

Driver used by Xorg:
intel

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

# glxgears
138 frames in 5.0 seconds = 27.511 FPS
128 frames in 5.0 seconds = 25.478 FPS
152 frames in 5.0 seconds = 30.303 FPS
160 frames in 5.0 seconds = 31.953 FPS
149 frames in 5.1 seconds = 29.412 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : Pentium III (Coppermine)
Memory : 254MB (114MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.00
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Fri 26 Nov 2010 09:08:59 PM CST
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH
-

taca0 · #985 Post by **taca0** » Sat 27 Nov 2010, 06:52

Could be possible make Dpup010 or zen006 with the old kernel 2.6.21.7 of puppy 4.1.2 ?? (I ask because the old kernel like that one shutdowns the pc smooth )

What of the debian squeeze or sid have the best mplayer in performance ??

Iguleder · #986 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 27 Nov 2010, 07:14

Yeah, it's possible and easy. Maybe I'll write a guide that explains how to build your own Insidious with Woof.

And regarding mplayer, I'm not sure what the Debian guys do. I do know they have multi-threaded, 586, 386 and k6 packages.

At the moment I'm compiling compat-wireless-2010-11-26, to make the kernel better with wireless. This should make it the "ultimate" kernel for the Puppy agenda - better support for older hardware, (some degree of) modem support but great performance and compatibility with recent hardware.

I also want to compile acpi_call as pemasu suggested ... any other third-party drivers you need?

EDIT: meh, compat-wireless failed hard, unknown symbols and stuff

EDIT 2: I want to make a PPM repo just for the Insidious packages - the kernel, the extra drivers and all the "generic" packages (themes, wallpapers, etc'). I need to talk to Saturn, he's the owner of brainwave ... maybe he can help with this

If Insidious has its own repo, it means its packages can be used for any wooflet and it gives it more freedom (i.e if someone makes a good package, we can upload it to the repo so it's available in PPM) - we have access to the package repositories and we're more independent.

EDIT 3: I was able to create a PPM repo for Insidious Puppy for testing.

If you want to add it to PPM, edit /root/.packages/DISTRO_PET_REPOS.
Add this:

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brainwavedesigncentral.net|http://www.brainwavedesigncentral.net/dima/pet_packages-insidious|Packages-puppy-insidious-official

to PKG_DOCS_PET_REPOS and this:

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brainwavedesigncentral.net|http://www.brainwavedesigncentral.net/dima|Packages-puppy-insidious-official

to PET_REPOS.

Then, add Packages-puppy-insidious-official to PACKAGELISTS_PET_ORDER. The easiest way to do this is by adding this:

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PACKAGELISTS_PET_ORDER="Packages-puppy-insidious-official ${PACKAGELISTS_PET_ORDER}"

at the end of the file.

Then, download Packages-puppy-insidious-official to /root/.packages and enable the Insidious repo in PPM's settings (the "configure" thing). At the moment the repo has the packages listed in that file, they're the ones used to build Insidious Puppy.

taca0 · #987 Post by **taca0** » Sat 27 Nov 2010, 18:08

Iguleder:

My only problem with the kernel 2.6.32.x is the poweroff process , first the computer poweroff . OK now! The question is if its normal that the hards drives poweroff first than the motherboard and power supply?? Because I had use the 2.6.21. or the 2.6.18. and all poweroff at the same time.

Sorry for the question maybe that not your expertise but ....

Iguleder · #988 Post by **Iguleder** » Sat 27 Nov 2010, 21:17

I can build a "retro" Insidious for you if you want. I have no idea about these things, I'm not a big expert

Just tell me which kernel you want, I'll do my best. You can choose between all the Puppy kernels - 2.6.18.1 (or whatever it was), 2.6.21.7, 2.6.25.16, 2.6.30.5, 2.6.31.14, 2.6.32.16, 2.6.33.2, 2.6.34.7, 2.6.35.7, .... and the Insidious Puppy kernel I compiled, 2.6.32.26.

scsijon · #989 Post by **scsijon** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 01:27

Iguleder wrote:Maybe I'll write a guide that explains how to build your own Insidious with Woof.

yes please, and could you do it in simple steps so that even a "senior" can do it,

The wiki one of barry's is a little bare in information for those of us.

"my brain aint what it use to be" to quote an old actor from the last century.

scsijon

edoc · #990 Post by **edoc** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 01:35

scsijon wrote: "my brain aint what it use to be" to quote an old actor from the last century.
scsijon

Jimmy Durante?

taca0 · #991 Post by **taca0** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 02:01

I can build a "retro" Insidious for you if you want. I have no idea about these things, I'm not a big expert Smile

Just tell me which kernel you want, I'll do my best. You can choose between all the Puppy kernels - 2.6.18.1 (or whatever it was), 2.6.21.7, 2.6.25.16, 2.6.30.5, 2.6.31.14, 2.6.32.16, 2.6.33.2, 2.6.34.7, 2.6.35.7, .... and the Insidious Puppy kernel I compiled, 2.6.32.26.

I think that the 2.6.21.7 could be a good old one uniproc kernel and shutdowns wells the VIA EPIA M.

I try some of the method of change kernels with edit sfs but gives me kernel panic ...

Iguleder · #992 Post by **Iguleder** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 18:51

Insidious Puppy is upladed. Discussion moves to that thread so we don't annoy the Lupu guys in the projects forum anymore

Karl Godt · #993 Post by **Karl Godt** » Fri 03 Dec 2010, 21:00

Just want to add that I made my first USB-Flash drives today and dpup-005 is booting on the asus netbook and the acer lappi.

I am very happy about that !!

I also made remastered isos bootable !!

The next would be 009 because of the debian kernel ...

The remastering confuses much because it didn't copy files from /root and /etc but this is a thing that has to be looked for inside the /usr/sbin/remasterpup2: Bourne shell script text executable file ...
CUPS permissions, .mrxvtrc just to mention

Karl Godt · #994 Post by **Karl Godt** » Tue 07 Dec 2010, 17:16

The abiword at 005 is 1.1 mb smaller than on 009 and it is running there also with the whole /usr/share/abiword-2.8/* files from 009.

Tried to compile abiword from debian source and that didn't worked either (lenny,squueze and sid). The debian patches are just about version and license and such and as my experience can tell inherit no bug patches

. I even had to compile several lib*.la for abiword. I lost two days for that !

And I found another way to get the 2barks working : (aplay /usr/share/audio/2barks.au &)
This seems to work:

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aplay /usr/share/audio/2barks.au

I am stucked at xorgwizard for now to fix the disordering of the screen if puppy boots in debug mode :

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if [ ! "`cat /tmp/bootkernel.log | grep 'Kernel command line'| grep -i 'debug'`" = "" ] || [ ! "`cat /tmp/bootkernel.log | grep 'Kernel command line'| grep -i 'loglevel'`" = "" ] ; then
dialog --sleep 15 --infobox "You have chosen the 'debug'\nor one of the\n'loglevel=4' or higher\nboot parameters.\nPlease let the dust settle a little.\nThe program will sleep now for 15 sec.\nbefore continuing with the Xorgwizard\nNote: The debugging output does not prevent the keys from working." 11 40
fi

Karl Godt · #995 Post by **Karl Godt** » Fri 10 Dec 2010, 03:00

I want to update that I achieved 2barks at 005 by adding
set Speaker 75% unmute
set Speaker -21dB
to /etc/init.d/alsa
and
# Which slider to link with the tray_icon, identified by numid
#tray_control=37
tray_control=1
to /root/.retrovolrc

so I just placed the Startup part much earlier at delayedrun and kept 01mickos part and added
sleep 4
killall delayedrun
exit
to the end.

Karl Godt · #996 Post by **Karl Godt** » Fri 10 Dec 2010, 12:50

While geany was printing directly to printer without using the previewer
abiword wasn't printing directly :

# abiword /root/LBG-Praemienzahlung.doc --verbose=2 -p -
The '--print' option has been removed as of AbiWord 2.8. You can achieve the desired behavior using AbiWord's command-line conversion tools and then piping the output to a print spooler. Eg: 'abiword --to=ps --to-name=fd://1 myfile.txt | lpr'

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abiword --to=ps --to-name=fd://1 /root/LBG-Praemienzahlung.doc | lpr

from commandline printed directly to printer !!

edoc · #997 Post by **edoc** » Fri 10 Dec 2010, 17:39

Why would the Abiword developers hack a critical feature like this out of the GUI?

I don't use Abiword because of other failures in the handling of document files that OO handles correctly. This is yet another nail in the coffin of Abiword.

musher0 · #998 Post by **musher0** » Wed 29 Dec 2010, 16:43

Hello, all.

As a late comment:

Over here, Puppy Squeeze performs better than its "insidious" counterpart. Puppy "insidious" looks and feels as if it was done in a hurry, for whatever reason.

Squeeze is not "no more", to contradict iguleder' opening sentence on p. 1 of this thread, as long as someone persists in using it!

When will stop focusing on the new for the sake of the new? Oh, well...

Just my two cents, of course.

TTYL.

edoc · #999 Post by **edoc** » Wed 29 Dec 2010, 18:14

I am still using dpup/squeeze until I can figure out how to port Seamonkey E-mail folders and the address book over to Claws and bookmarks to Midori, then I will switch this laptop to Fluppy 010.

BTW: I just learned that 511 SFS's will work in either dpup or Fluppy 010 merely by deleting the "_511" in the name.

Insidious was a neat effort by iguleder but due to the open-ended nature of his deployment with the Israeli security forces it may be "abandonware".

Fluppy is extremely well supported by Jemimah and appears to function well across everything from Netbooks to laptops to desktops. I was initially skeptical as I dislike some of the MS-like interface but have adjusted due to the technological qualities - and some recent tweaks she has made - and continues to make.

nooby · #1000 Post by **nooby** » Wed 29 Dec 2010, 19:13

I 've been very skeptical to how Jemimah choose double click and such but she is worth all respect in choice of kernel and drivers for her Fluppy because I have now tested the following puppies

Puppy Linux lupu-517
Puppy Linux wary-500
Puppy Linux luci_246
Puppy Linux lupq-511
Puppy Linux spup
Puppy Linux dpup
Puppy studio (Ubuntu Studio) 3.1 based on Lucid 5.1.1
Puppy Linux macpup

And Jemimah's Fluppy and IguLeder's Inpu are the two that boot each time.
Maybe Pemasu's Puppy Linux lupu-513 also will boot each time, has not tested it that many times to know.

Jemimah's Fluppy is incredible in that it boots each time and the others can fail and fail and fail and drive me crazy.

So all the praise should go to her for caring about the small Netbooks.

Maybe it would be better to send money to her than to Barry for his versions does not boot unless it is me not getting how to. Jemimah's Fluppy don't need any know how to, they just boot.

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