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jafadmin · #61 Post by **jafadmin** » Sun 17 Nov 2019, 13:02

backi wrote:What`s Believe ....what`s Fact ......????
Do you know for sure?

Yes. Not all have the uncertainty affliction.

backi · #62 Post by **backi** » Sun 17 Nov 2019, 13:06

Congratulations ......you`re a lucky guy .
Due to it your Life is probably easier than mine .

jafadmin · #63 Post by **jafadmin** » Sun 17 Nov 2019, 13:17

backi wrote:Congratulations ......you`re a lucky guy .

The whole point to life is to mature and acquire the reasoning skills to be able to separate fantasy from reality, and act accordingly.

backi · #64 Post by **backi** » Sun 17 Nov 2019, 13:22

The whole point to life is to mature and acquire the reasoning skills to be able to separate fantasy from reality, and act accordingly.

Congrats ......you have really made the grade .

jafadmin · #65 Post by **jafadmin** » Sun 17 Nov 2019, 18:21

musher0 wrote:
Problem with the Climate Crisis is it's global. A major player like the US or Brazil bows
out and continues polluting, the rest of the world will have to come up with techniques
to cope with it in their place. There is no Border Patrol for pollution, pollution is not like
immigrants, you can't send pollution ( or CO2 ) back where it came from.

Respectfully.

Please show data where CO2 is linked to global temperature. In all the graphs above, there is no causality between CO2 and temperature.

And in all the graphs above, there is no warming trend.

musher0 · #66 Post by **musher0** » Sun 17 Nov 2019, 19:37

jafadmin wrote:
backi wrote:What`s Believe ....what`s Fact ......????
Do you know for sure?
Yes. Not all have the uncertainty affliction.

@backi

This is somewhat like the old dilemma between the philosophical positions of realism
(e.g. that held by Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas ) and idealism (e.g. that held by Plato
and Kant ).

With the realism theory, I really have to kick your a.. for you to feel it!

With this
philosophical position, reality is reality.

With the idealism theory, I cannot check if I really kicked your a.., because I do not
perceive reality directly; reality is projected as an image of the outside world to sort
of a screen in my mind. For the same reason, 1) it may be enough for me to think
of kicking your a.. and 2) you may not feel it in either case !

Hint: I'm with Aristotle on this one !

A real kick on a real a.. with a real boot !

I beg forgiveness from professional philosophers for my weak understanding of
these theories!

jafadmin · #67 Post by **jafadmin** » Sun 17 Nov 2019, 20:03

Here is the list of datasources used in doing the temperature/CO2 graphs.

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curl -O ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/daily/ghcnd_hcn.tar.gz
curl -O ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/daily//ghcnd-stations.txt
curl -O ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/daily/ghcnd-inventory.txt
curl -O ftp://aftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/products/trends/co2/co2_mm_gl.txt

The first one is very large. Once unzipped, you need to cd to the "ghcnd_hcn" directory created by the extraction process and 'cat' them into a single file (Don't do this from within puppy. It's too big. Use an external drive):

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cd ghcnd_hcn
cat *.dly > US.txt

Have fun ... Now you too can be the true light of the world ..

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backi · #68 Post by **backi** » Sun 17 Nov 2019, 20:43

Hi Musher !

This is somewhat like the old dilemma between the philosophical positions of realism
(e.g. that held by Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas ) and idealism (e.g. that held by Plato and Kant ).

Hi Mate ......that is all too much for me ....i am just a simple minded Country Boy just living a simple Life ......... till now i thought that Reality is just simply ....what is .

P.S:
...and what about Solipsism ?????

mavrothal · #69 Post by **mavrothal** » Sun 17 Nov 2019, 20:50

jafadmin wrote: I made those graphs last night using the latest NOAA data and Python

This being a linux open source site and all, would you mind passing that code and the names of the data files used for the graphs?

jafadmin · #70 Post by **jafadmin** » Sun 17 Nov 2019, 21:47

mavrothal wrote:
jafadmin wrote: I made those graphs last night using the latest NOAA data and Python
This being a linux open source site and all, would you mind passing that code and the names of the data files used for the graphs?

Download this and read the comment header in the bash script
https://ufile.io/7awf4uk1

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jafadmin · #71 Post by **jafadmin** » Mon 18 Nov 2019, 02:07

How Global Warming affects low lying island nations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p51t2MHcms

bigpup · #72 Post by **bigpup** » Mon 18 Nov 2019, 04:39

Sure, climate change caused this stupidity!

Build in a location that should never have been built on.
https://www.euromoney.com/article/b14qq ... waterfront

jafadmin · #73 Post by **jafadmin** » Mon 18 Nov 2019, 05:06

bigpup wrote:Sure, climate change caused this stupidity!
Build in a location that should never have been built on.
https://www.euromoney.com/article/b14qq ... waterfront

Got news for you, buddy. Every low lying chunk of sand all over the world's oceans gets built on. Did you see the footage of Grand Bahama and Abacos islands during hurricane Dorian?

But hell, just visit South Beach, sometime

Reality: There isn't a mortgage company on earth that will refuse a loan on beachfront property. That's why Obama just bought a $14,000,000 estate on Martha's Vineyard ..

bigpup · #74 Post by **bigpup** » Mon 18 Nov 2019, 05:33

It is called a beach because it goes under water at high tide

That sand is not solid ground.

bigpup · #75 Post by **bigpup** » Mon 18 Nov 2019, 05:56

Reality: There isn't a mortgage company on earth that will refuse a loan on beachfront property.

Why not.
They all make the people takeout mortgage insurance and property insurance to cover the property.
They get paid if the property is a total loss.
The people pay that high cost of insurance.

Money always talks.
Even stupid people have money!

nic007 · #76 Post by **nic007** » Mon 18 Nov 2019, 07:36

There's been "global" cooling where I am. Our November temperatures have hardly reached 20 degrees Celsius when it should be close to 30 degrees this time of year.

backi · #77 Post by **backi** » Mon 18 Nov 2019, 07:48

Hi Bigpup !

Thumbs up !!

backi · #78 Post by **backi** » Mon 18 Nov 2019, 13:46

Hi jafadmin !
I am not quite sure what your Point of View really is.
So... no Offense...

I Had a look at the Video you gave a Link to .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p51t2MHcms
...... found some interesting Comments below that Kept me amused ....

Crusty Mole
6 months ago
I live in the Marshall Islands since the 90s, have seen no evidence of sea level rise nor have any of the lifelong marshallese. The only people here talking about it is the corrupt government which is always flying off to environmental conferences on the tax payers dime of course.

Burgess Park
6 months ago
Nobody is mentioning Leonardo DiCaprio
The Hollywood actor who got an environmental award for highlighting the
horror of impending and massive sea level rise.
The Hollywood actor who afterwards went and bought a small island off the
coast of Belize (Blackadore Caye) - max. 2 meters above sea level
The Hollywood actor who then developed it as an "eco-resort"
The Hollywood actor who is then selling the villas there at $15 million each.
Hollywood hypocracy ?????
Never !

devlinX
6 months ago
It's just a Marxist Doomsday cult isn't it.

I'm in my 40's and we've been on the brink of the apocalypse for as long as I can remember but it never arrives. Protesting here is bloody pointless as well as we're the smallest of small potatoes compared to China and India.

Glad Emma Thompson could find the time to jet over from the US for a bit of virtue signalling though.----------

I think it finally sums it up .

mavrothal · #79 Post by **mavrothal** » Mon 18 Nov 2019, 14:03

So I went through the program and the provided data be the program author.
Below is the results for the US that this "celebrated" program provides.
And that's without checking the code or updating the data (that miss the last 2 hot years as they are up to 2017)

The maximum temperature is decreased (you ignorant climate terrorists)
But the minimum temperature is increased, it says (Yeah. Nice warm nights)
So the range of temperature change is smaller (Good. Not need to change clothes all day)
Bus somehow the average temperature is increasing (Neah. Should be a program bug...)

PS: Run it with updated data (had to add 2018/9 CO2 data in the script manually) and guess what? Average warming is even higher. Very buggy software...

backi · #80 Post by **backi** » Mon 18 Nov 2019, 14:18

my gosh !
Studying (useless ?) Power-Point Presentations ..
Bullet proof Method to go insane ......

But have to admit ......looks quite impressive ......
Even Iraq War started with a Power-Point Presentation..

Now seems some Kind of Power-Point-Presentation Wars are waging here on this Thread .

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