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RetroTechGuy · #401 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Tue 24 May 2011, 16:45

puppyite wrote:John_Shepard,
You aren’t by chance a recently banned poster are you? I smell a sock puppet.

His email leads us to this site:

http://madscientistsandmisfits.com/?p=406

But don't worry, he'll "get on it after finals."...

puppyite · #402 Post by **puppyite** » Tue 24 May 2011, 16:46

I think he meant suppository as in pain in the a$$.

Just kidding, panties, knot, etc.

Keo · #403 Post by **Keo** » Tue 24 May 2011, 16:49

Oh, this is so much better. I remembered my old account information.

*John_Shepard is now known as Keo.

RetroTechGuy wrote:My Puppy installation consumes half that, with no user files.

Clean your cached packages, bro.

RetroTechGuy wrote:
John_Shepard wrote: I had Debian 6 running on a 95mhz Pentium I with 16MB of RAM. X, even, with Ratpoison. It didn't have a mouse, needed an old 5-pin DIN one which I don't have.

Think before you speak.
So you didn't have a mouse (and thus didn't have a GUI) -- so you want to compare Debian command line to Puppy?... Absolutely hilarious!

Wait, wasn't one of the recent complaints against Slackware that it was "command line only" or some such nonsense?...

BTW Troll, years ago I ran Slackware on a 386-20, with 4 MB RAM... (and that didn't have a GUI either).

As for your advice, yes...think before YOU speak, troll.

Ratpoison is a WM that uses keyboard bindings, instead of a mouse.

Once again, you're full of crap.

I run a virtual server with Debian installed. It only took up 200MB on install, with a light X server, SQL.

RetroTechGuy wrote: But let's get Debian running, how much space do I need:

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i ... 02.html.en

The astute reader will note that the Print Server alone (196MB) eats more disk space than all of Puppy (~125MB).

Why you'd need a full-on print server is beyond me, you only need CUPS and the driver for your printer, if that.

Go ahead and keep spewing crap from your mouth, I really don't care. You're proving that you don't know a thing outside of your cozy little Ubuntu hugbox.

puppyite wrote: John_Shepard,
You aren’t by chance a recently banned poster are you? I smell a sock puppet.

Forgot my account information. Had to wait after forgetting my password a few times.

RetroTechGuy · #404 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Tue 24 May 2011, 16:53

Keo wrote:I run a virtual server with Debian installed. It only took up 200MB on install, with a light X server, SQL.

So in "new math" 200MB is less than 125MB...

Keo · #405 Post by **Keo** » Tue 24 May 2011, 16:55

RetroTechGuy wrote:
Keo wrote:I run a virtual server with Debian installed. It only took up 200MB on install, with a light X server, SQL.
So in "new math" 200MB is less than 125MB...

Have you ever really installed Puppy to your disk? Takes up quite a bit more than that when everything isn't compressed anymore.

Traditional install vs. Frugal.

Stop comparing Apples to Androids.

jonyo · #406 Post by **jonyo** » Tue 24 May 2011, 16:56

and js i don't actually mean you're a moron and idiot

i just threw those words out in my first post to you to make a point

RetroTechGuy · #407 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:00

Keo wrote:Clean your cached packages, bro.

I didn't install any packages, "bro"... Just booted the netinstaller, until I felt like finishing the install...

Go ahead and keep spewing crap from your mouth, I really don't care. You're proving that you don't know a thing outside of your cozy little Ubuntu hugbox.

I don't run Ubuntu, "bro"...

However, I did run Debian from a time _long_ before you thought to have zits on your face, until now.

jonyo · #408 Post by **jonyo** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:03

puppyite wrote:
jonyo wrote:i'll go on record as an outside observer at the time who glanced in once in while

not really getting why puppyite was banned in the first place

seemed subjective

he had some beefs whit lob, big deal
IIRC at the time it was claimed by some that the Water Bug was a star of Puppy Linux and I questioned that premise, but we don’t want to go there again.

well i'll just finish then with it calls into question who decides and why

altho i was a newcomer at the time and there probably was more to it
i never understood why another member gn2 was banned

and then you probably had one individual who many wanted banned but no issue there

Keo · #409 Post by **Keo** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:05

RetroTechGuy wrote:
I don't run Ubuntu, "bro"...

However, I did run Debian from a time _long_ before you thought to have zits on your face, until now.

Puppy is now pretty much an Ubuntu derivative.

Unless you've been running Debian since '92, I sincerely doubt it.

jonyo wrote:and js i don't actually mean you're a moron and idiot

i just threw those words out in my first post to you to make a point

It's okay jonyo. I still love you.

jonyo · #410 Post by **jonyo** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:06

nice js

pls keep in mind that i by no means know the full story

puppyite · #411 Post by **puppyite** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:07

Keo / John_Shepard,
Your profile says you're retired, retired from life or just trying to fit in here?

Saw your blog, meh.

Keo · #412 Post by **Keo** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:11

puppyite wrote:Keo / John_Shepard,
Your profile says your retired, retired from life or just trying to fit in here?

Saw your blog, meh.

Used to run the Puppylinux channel on Freenode for the latter part of 2007, up until 2009. Bugged out of there, had better things to do.

Congratulations on finding my old alcohol-fueled thoughts. I thought it was meh too.

RetroTechGuy · #413 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:12

Keo wrote:
RetroTechGuy wrote:
Keo wrote:I run a virtual server with Debian installed. It only took up 200MB on install, with a light X server, SQL.
So in "new math" 200MB is less than 125MB...
Have you ever really installed Puppy to your disk? Takes up quite a bit more than that when everything isn't compressed anymore.

Traditional install vs. Frugal.

Stop comparing Apples to Androids.

I don't need, nor want a full install of Puppy. If Debian had such a "frugal" install mode, I would have used that.

And as for "Apples to Androids", you work hard to strip down your Debian, to make it run in the same size range as a default install of Puppy.

I suppose I could dig out my old Debian tarballs, restore them, and tally the size if you'd like. But I can assure you that it consumed considerably more than Puppy does.

And should I note that the Debian I cited (260MB) does not have a GUI installed, yet takes as long or longer to boot (BTW, it is Deb 5.03 -- and I still didn't bother to finish installation, even after looking at it again...

)?

jonyo · #414 Post by **jonyo** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:16

Keo wrote:
puppyite wrote:Keo / John_Shepard,
Your profile says your retired, retired from life or just trying to fit in here?

Saw your blog, meh.
Used to run the Puppylinux channel on Freenode for the latter part of 2007, up until 2009. Bugged out of there, had better things to do.

Congratulations on finding my old alcohol-fueled thoughts. I thought it was meh too.

the Puppylinux channel is/was a disgrace to any distro period, a showstopper

Keo · #415 Post by **Keo** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:17

RetroTechGuy wrote:I don't need, nor want a full install of Puppy. If Debian had such a "frugal" install mode, I would have used that.

So you've got nothing to actually compare it to? Stop talking.

RetroTechGuy wrote: And as for "Apples to Androids", you work hard to strip down your Debian, to make it run in the same size range as a default install of Puppy.

I love how Linux panders to idiots now, who want everything handed to them on a silver platter.

RetroTechGuy wrote: I suppose I could dig out my old Debian tarballs, restore them, and tally the size if you'd like. But I can assure you that it consumed considerably more than Puppy does.

And should I note that the Debian I cited (260MB) does not have a GUI installed, yet takes as long or longer to boot (BTW, it is Deb 5.03 -- and I still didn't bother to finish installation, even after looking at it again... )?

Once again, you've still got nothing to compare it to. Give up, before you make yourself look more of a fool.

jonyo wrote:the Puppylinux channel is/was a disgrace to any distro period, a showstopper

It always has been. I tried to make it a little more tolerable, at least.

RetroTechGuy · #416 Post by **RetroTechGuy** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:20

Keo wrote:
RetroTechGuy wrote:
I don't run Ubuntu, "bro"...

However, I did run Debian from a time _long_ before you thought to have zits on your face, until now.
Puppy is now pretty much an Ubuntu derivative.

Unless you've been running Debian since '92, I sincerely doubt it.

Oh, you had zits when you were 2 years old (as this says you were born in 1990)?... : http://keosbox.net/dablog.php/2009/12/10/what-is-this

(the reader will note that Debian didn't have it's first release until after that)

No KEO, I started using Debian in late 1997 (v1.3, as a brand new distro). Prior to that it was Slackware and MSDOG (the Slackware server handled the network, so the house could share the phone line).

jonyo · #417 Post by **jonyo** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:21

well at a glance it seems that alota players have great interest in which direction puppy may go

and why not, pup has been nippin away right there lol for some time

shariebeth · #418 Post by **shariebeth** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:22

jonyo wrote:
Keo wrote:
puppyite wrote:Keo / John_Shepard,
Your profile says your retired, retired from life or just trying to fit in here?

Saw your blog, meh.
Used to run the Puppylinux channel on Freenode for the latter part of 2007, up until 2009. Bugged out of there, had better things to do.

Congratulations on finding my old alcohol-fueled thoughts. I thought it was meh too.
the Puppylinux channel is/was a disgrace to any distro period

Well look around forums, do a search. THAT has been attempted to be fixed too with the same brick wall coming up as here. Every effort blocked to fix it. Nobody removes it from the puplets, the channel owners don't show up much, if at all, nor will they give the channel to somebody who does...and the chanops were either non-existent, biased, absent, afk, or behaved worse than the so-called problems (and a lot less help too). Note: I do speak only from my own experience from January 2010 to present. Shame too, IRC is a valuable resource if run correctly.

Keo · #419 Post by **Keo** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:24

RetroTechGuy wrote: Oh, you had zits when you were 2 years old (as this says you were born in 1990)?... : http://keosbox.net/dablog.php/2009/12/10/what-is-this

(the reader will note that Debian didn't have it's first release until after that)

Don't believe everything you read on the internet, sheepie.

Debian was released in late summer 93, I picked it up around December and started messing with it. Been using it ever since.

puppyite · #420 Post by **puppyite** » Tue 24 May 2011, 17:25

Keo wrote:
puppyite wrote:Keo / John_Shepard,
Your profile says your retired, retired from life or just trying to fit in here?

Saw your blog, meh.
Used to run the Puppylinux channel on Freenode for the latter part of 2007, up until 2009. Bugged out of there, had better things to do.

Congratulations on finding my old alcohol-fueled thoughts. I thought it was meh too.

Never knew Chanop was a position one could retire from, get a pension did you?

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