Lupu-515 Beta New Version DEC 18

[James C]

Lupu-515 live pfix ram on the main Linux box.Only problem, the dreaded sound muted on boot. Used Retrovol so it's working now.......will reboot and make a save file in a moment to see whether the sound will be persistent.

Multimedia audio controller : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)

Update in a few.

Rebooted, sound was muted again. Used Retrovol, had sound, rebooted and ......muted again. Used Alsa Wizard , rebooted and had sound. Rebooted again and still had sound. Guess it's persistent .....

[01micko]

Lupu-515 live pfix ram on the main Linux box.Only problem, the dreaded sound muted on boot. Used Retrovol so it's working now.......will reboot and make a save file in a moment to see whether the sound will be persistent.

Multimedia audio controller : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)

Update in a few.

Rebooted, sound was muted again. Used Retrovol, had sound, rebooted and ......muted again. Used Alsa Wizard , rebooted and had sound. Rebooted again and still had sound. Guess it's persistent .....

I'll give it a spin on my athlon box James C, it has AC97 but with an SiS chipset.. see what happens!
Cheers

[James C]

And another thing. I have been using grub4dos and it has been working nicely. It seems like a luxury even though I have no trouble making menu.lst files manually but that seems like a huge and unfair hurdle for first time users.

But as shinobar has said, the name 'grub4dos' implies that it is 'for dos' not for linux. So what if we changed the names to

Grub config - manual (or, Grub bootloader config - manual)
and
Grub config -auto (or, Grub bootloader config - auto)

and when the Universal Installer told them to go to Grub, they could make a choice. Newbies would probably choose auto and have good success with it.

Thanks playdayz for your understanding.

There may be discussion but i think we need not the legacy grub(0.5MB) at all now.
If you have the legacy grub already installed and you like to continue manully editing the menu.lst, you can keep it.
Tick the checkbox "Do not rewrite 'menu.lst'" on.

So if someone makes a new install on a machine without legacy grub installed (blank hard drive or with Windows) you suggest no choice.Grub4dos or nothing?
Bad idea in my book.

[Lobster]

Two new things in Quickpet:
1. Big button to install the Gnu C Compiler, aka, the devx.

Excellent idea
. . . did not work first time I tried it
rebooted from a save file (you have to do this to use SFS so a warning dialog might be useful . . .)

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2. Menu item under More Pets to download the latest update of the content of the puppy-lucid repo without having to wait for all the very slow Ubuntu databases. 

when it says reboot (in the dialog) - do you just mean restart quickpet or PPM?

I used a stopwatch-it took 1:57

sausages and sardines! [Lobsterian swearing] that beats my record by 3 secs

my Logitech webcam did not work
have another will try that

been playing different versions of 'accentuate the positive'
the John Mercer 1940's song before the playdayz announcement of Lupu-515 Beta
. . . which can only mean . . . synchronicity . . .

Things I like in Lucid 5.2

Easy set up
Accelerated drivers in Quickpet
Enhanced Deb compatibility
Firewall in the tray

[ilanrab]

...So what if we changed the names to
Grub config - manual (or, Grub bootloader config - manual)
and Grub config -auto (or, Grub bootloader config - auto)
and when the Universal Installer told them to go to Grub, they could make a choice. Newbies would probably choose auto and have good success with it.

If newbies are the primary motivation, it may make sense to name it
something like PuppyBoot, PuppyGrub, PuppyGrubBootloader, or some
such name. Rational:
- Installation and bootloading can be major headache in many cases. Why
allow that state of affairs to continue? Let's make it even "simpler" for
the user.
- As already pointed out, the "DOS", in the name, can be confusing.
- With source, at hand, Puppyboot could be made better than Grub.
- In the event there is a transition into Grub2 (as Ubuntu Maverick did on
new installations), the transition could be made slowly and virtually
transparently. Always keeping the same "Puppy" name, even if the
source (and functionality) gets modified.

[James C]

Fresh manual frugal install on the old P3........no problems at all.Sound,internet and even Firewallstate all good.Only installed Xorg_High and SeaMonkey so far...but everything looks good.

Rebooted the main box again......still have sound.

[01micko]

. . . did not work first time I tried it
rebooted from a save file (you have to do this to use SFS so a warning dialog might be useful . . .)

Which way were you looking Lobster? There certainly is a warning that you must install Puppy to use an Sfs, it has been there from the start for all sfs. It worked for me and will for all.. it only has to test for PUPMODE=5 (which is live pfix=ram, or no save) .. a very simple test to perform

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2. Menu item under More Pets to download the latest update of the content of the puppy-lucid repo without having to wait for all the very slow Ubuntu databases. 

when it says reboot (in the dialog) - do you just mean restart quickpet or PPM?

Reboot means reboot.. ex-windows users will be used to that, I don't think they would ask that question, however since in linux you don't need to reboot often then I can understand.
The reason a reboot is needed is that the /tmp folder must be flushed of the old petget information.

Cheers!

Edit: on further consideration, with only a few bytes I can have that button not appear in PUPMODE=5, so I'll do that. I tested in PUPMODE=5 on 5 machines and all got the message..

[shinobar]

So if someone makes a new install on a machine without legacy grub installed (blank hard drive or with Windows) you suggest no choice.Grub4dos or nothing?
Bad idea in my book.

What is the problem, James?

[01micko]

sound is ok with my athlon box

(from hardinfo)
snd_intel8x0 Intel 82801AA,82901AB,i810,i820,i830,i840,i845,MX440; SiS 7012; Ali 5455
snd_ac97_codec Universal interface for Audio Codec '97

3G modem works good too

Cheers

[James C]

So if someone makes a new install on a machine without legacy grub installed (blank hard drive or with Windows) you suggest no choice.Grub4dos or nothing?
Bad idea in my book.

What is the problem, James?

No problem. In my tests with Grub4dos(or whatever the new name may be) it has not correctly detected and configured everything some of the time.Reminds me of Grub2, sometimes it works and sometimes not.
Just my own experiences, I'll stick with legacy Grub........if it's not included those who prefer grub will need to install Lucid and then boot something else to install Grub.Don't really need to add another step.
I boot my Ubuntu installs with legacy Grub too.
I leave it up to playdayz and 01micko........

[James C]

sound is ok with my athlon box

(from hardinfo)
snd_intel8x0 Intel 82801AA,82901AB,i810,i820,i830,i840,i845,MX440; SiS 7012; Ali 5455
snd_ac97_codec Universal interface for Audio Codec '97

3G modem works good too

Cheers

Guess it's the Via audio, sound is fine on the boxes with the Intel audio.

Already installed an old Nvidia card in place of the Via graphics, probably need to consider a new sound card.....

[James C]

Upgraded the Luci-246 Trinity(kde) install to 515. Worked better after I remembered to rename the savefile.
Short report, upgrade went fine....no problems.Restarted in Openbox, used WM Switcher to immediately change to Trinity/kde and all good.

[Jim1911]

Frugal installation on an ext4 partition looks great with one exception. Gnome-mplayer still does not play wmv and flv files. Just as it did for 245 and 246, it opens but will not play. I just changed default to vlc. Otherwise it works fine.

EDIT: Full hd installation on and ext4 partition. Also works great. Has same problem as above.

Kudos for this great OS.
Jim

[shinobar]

if it's not included those who prefer grub will need to install Lucid and then boot something else to install Grub.

Any applications someone prefer but not built in the distribution have a chance to get them from the PPM or the web.
(You need not boot up another distribution.)
As for the legacy grub, you can install ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributio ... untu53.pet.

My question is in what case you need it?
Old version of grub4dos made incorrect entry for Ubuntu, but the recent version of grub4dos has no problem.

[ttuuxxx]

If you want to learn more about webcams and linux try this page its pretty good.
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Webcam-HOWTO/
ttuuxxx

[James C]

if it's not included those who prefer grub will need to install Lucid and then boot something else to install Grub.

Any applications someone prefer but not built in the distribution have a chance to get them from the PPM or the web.
(You need not boot up another distribution.)
As for the legacy grub, you can install ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributio ... untu53.pet.

My question is in what case you need it?
Old version of grub4dos made incorrect entry for Ubuntu, but the recent version of grub4dos has no problem.

By your logic there is no need to include any bootloader.....everyone can just download their own choice.

No need for a big discussion, you are promoting Grub4dos....we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[James C]

Returning to testing.......

I was playing some wmv files with MPlayer and I noticed that one video would go back and forth to full screen with no problem while another wmv video wouldn't go fullscreen at all.Using JWM at that time too.

[ttuuxxx]

Returning to testing.......

I was playing some wmv files with MPlayer and I noticed that one video would go back and forth to full screen with no problem while another wmv video wouldn't go fullscreen at all.Using JWM at that time too.

with luci I had the same issue with large avi movies, 1.6GB, I couldn't move forward or reverse when playing from dvd, and if it stopped say midway like it did, it was useless. I had to revert to 2.14x which has good old gxine as default. It worked fine with that.
ttuuxxx

[sszindian]

A few things on 5.1.5

Iron version 7 does NOT work at all... Hasen't since 5.1.1 all through the 2xx test series. Reverted back to Iron version 6, that works fine.

Google Earth does NOT work, it worked in last two test versions 245, 246 I had. Splash screen appears, says I need to update my graphics card drivers (as last two versions did also) Yes... I have the Xorg High-GLX driver installed as I did on last 2 test pups.

Using same computer as used in other versions. Would like to know if others are having the same problem?

So far, everything else I tried seems OK.

"Beautiful job so far and "thanks" to all, default screen is really nice!!!

[bigpup]

Lupu-515 live pfix ram on the main Linux box.Only problem, the dreaded sound muted on boot. Used Retrovol so it's working now.......will reboot and make a save file in a moment to see whether the sound will be persistent.

Multimedia audio controller : VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)

Update in a few.

I am trying to figure out something concerning this sound mute problem.
When you get muted sound, could you middle mouse button click on the speaker tray icon and see if that makes it not mute?