Lupu-515 Beta New Version DEC 18

[shinobar]

The task tray(Openbox) disappears frequently.
Haven't you experienced?

I have not seen this either. Unless you mean that it disappears momentarily when menus are being rebuilt after a pet is installed--I have seen that.

Thanks James and playdayz.

I see it does not frequently but some time.
I experienced 2 times, once on my real PC and the second on a Virtualbox, but cannot reproduce.
It may occur some time running the rc.update.

I am not sure but both it occurred after saving session and reboot.
I load and unload extra sfs and now the task tray came back...

[shinobar]

Next presets are needed in /root/.config/geany/geany.conf at [geany] section:

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pref_editor_default_new_encoding=UTF-8
editor_font=Fixed 13
show_linenumber_margin=true

• pref_editor_default_new_encoding

If you make new file with geany and type characters other than ISO-8859-1,
The geany cannot save it with error.
Setting pref_editor_default_new_encoding=UTF-8 avoids this.

Open new file with geany and cut and paste next sentence on the geany:

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С Рожде

[01micko]

micko must know that on 'pfix=ram' problem:

1. Live CD for the first time, the main sfs of course loaded from the CD.
2. Make savefile(or not) and copy the main file on HDD.
3. Next time boot from Live CD, the savefile and the main sfs loaded from the HDD as expected.
4. Live CD with 'pfix=ram', of course the savefile is not loaded, but the main sfs is loaded from HDD.

If the RAM is less than 256, the HDD partition is kept mounting, so there is no way to maintain the HDD.
How to add swap partition, etc. after?

Yes I reported a similar issue in Wary, even on a burn back to CD/DVD save.

[shinobar]

It may occur some time running the rc.update.

I am not sure but both it occurred after saving session and reboot.
I load and unload extra sfs and now the task tray came back...

Oops. All the drive icons disappeared

[James C]

I've just swapped in a new sata hdd in another old computer so I'm running Luci-242 live pfix=ram. Initial boot ....everything was working. quickpet correctly identified the Nvidia card and recommended the correct driver. Looks good.


VIDEO REPORT: Lucid Puppy, version 242

Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

Driver used by Xorg:
nvidia

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth 24 Depth: "Display"

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#


# glxgears
8713 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1742.600 FPS
9487 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1897.400 FPS
10935 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2187.000 FPS
10857 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2171.400 FPS
10655 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2131.000 FPS
11416 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2283.200 FPS
11906 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2381.200 FPS
11825 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2365.000 FPS


-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.80GHz
Memory : 1034MB (160MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.24
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Mon Dec 6 23:19:41 2010
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : CMI8738-MC6 - C-Media CMI8738
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel ICH5

[ttuuxxx]

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... -Lucid.pet
Here is Chromium 7, the Ubuntu version of the Chromium source code--not the same as the browser Google Chrome but from the same source code. Not the same either as Iron 7 which uses the same source code but removes what it regards as intrusive "features."

This Chromium is 25MB larger than Iron 7 installed, (but smaller compressed!). It has something added called chromium-ffmpeg-codecs-extra. This might make it better for online video, or not, who knows?

I included the Language files also.

I don't understand why you don't slim your packages down, That browser package has 11MB of doc,man,locales included, every MB is worth saving. even 2.5MB compressed is worth saving.
ttuuxxx

[Lobster]

I see on my HDD a strange folder named 'l2421012.043'.

I see dead people


sorry that is a joke
reference to a Bruce Willis film


These folders - I had several
as far as I am aware are created by woof or
5.2 when booting from CD/DVD
I have deleted them all
and will see if they are recreated in the /mnt/home directory during next boot

I have seen the openbox disappearing menubar
I press ctrl + alt + backspace and type xwin to restart x windows
Newbies will sit there with a bewildered 'help me Microsoft' smile on their face . . .

gonna update test page
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/LucidTesting

Puppy Linux
Tested by Animal (and other Muppets)

[Karl Godt]

Oops. All the drive icons disappeared Rolling Eyes

There seems to be a ""bug"" in the `pup_event_frontend_d` script.

Especially when booted from USB-Flash :

After ignoring the warning and unmounting the Boot-USB-Drive via terminal `umount /dev/sdb1`
and running `pup_event_frontend_d` via terminal the
/dev/sdUSB file(s)
are getting deleted.

Needed to

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mknod /dev/sdb b 8 16
mknod /dev/sdb1 b 8 17
mknod /dev/sdb2 b 8 18

manually
( params via `ls -l /dev/sd*` )
.

[Bert]

Openbox menubar disappeared once here too. Rebooted and it was back.

I also have several of those 'new' folders.
They always contain the main .sfs-file.
But the folders for Luci, have two files :



.

[sm6lod]

In 242 the taskbar disappears when I for example start Iron.
The only way to get it back is to Restart X-server.
Once I have done that I sometimes have to click on pwireless2 to get back my wireless connection.
I can see in my other PC where I run 237 that there is a command for Openbox that says refresh desktop. Where did that go in 242? When using that there was no need to restart X-server to get the toolbar back.
BTW I finally succeded in getting my wireless working on my Amilo laptop. I really do not know how, but I have a strong feeling that my Dlink wireless router reset itselft after I had a power failure in the house.
So obviously not 242's fault that I failed getting a connection.

[Bert]

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... -Lucid.pet
Here is Chromium 7, the Ubuntu version of the Chromium source code--not the same as the browser Google Chrome but from the same source code. Not the same either as Iron 7 which uses the same source code but removes what it regards as intrusive "features."

This Chromium is 25MB larger than Iron 7 installed, (but smaller compressed!). It has something added called chromium-ffmpeg-codecs-extra. This might make it better for online video, or not, who knows?

I included the Language files also.

I don't understand why you don't slim your packages down, That browser package has 11MB of doc,man,locales included, every MB is worth saving. even 2.5MB compressed is worth saving.
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... -Lucid.pet
Here is Chromium 7, the Ubuntu version of the Chromium source code--not the same as the browser Google Chrome but from the same source code. Not the same either as Iron 7 which uses the same source code but removes what it regards as intrusive "features."

This Chromium is 25MB larger than Iron 7 installed, (but smaller compressed!). It has something added called chromium-ffmpeg-codecs-extra. This might make it better for online video, or not, who knows?

I included the Language files also.

I don't understand why you don't slim your packages down, That browser package has 11MB of doc,man,locales included, every MB is worth saving. even 2.5MB compressed is worth saving.
ttuuxxx

Hi Its like this, Puppy will never ever been a distro for all languages, I keep saying that this release needs a sfs just for locales or part of the language setup that it downloads from the repo at first boot all the locale files needed, If we supplied 100% of all locales and doc's the size would double overnight. 2.5 MB is a lot of extra bloat for just one application, puppy has over 200 files do the math ! and when was the last time you looked at the size of the latest Microsoft windows Seven DVD, Its massive. We Can not please all languages out of the box on the iso full stop. But If we used the repo, That could work Would be nice if each language would have its own sfs that could be automatically downloaded. But once again what a pain making 50+sfs's and then keeping them up to date, Its almost an impossible task unless you had a team of people dedicated maintaining it.
Yes the basic scripts should have locales, and the .desktop files should contain locales info, and keyboard types. But that's about it for the main iso, the rest should be server side. Its just too big.
ttuuxxx

[Burn_IT]

I've cut a CD and tried on two machines:
Dell Lattitude C840 & ThinkPad T42
Neither loaded ANY network drivers yet BOTH work under 511 and earlier.
When I say they didn't load network I also mean there are NO driver modules in the (none existent) list to load either.
Both recognise the hardware correctly.

Also on the C840, the PS2 mouse is not recognised and there is no Alps drivers.

I would do more testing, but not being able to get to a network kind of ruins any chance.

[01micko]

I've cut a CD and tried on two machines:
Dell Lattitude C840 & ThinkPad T42
Neither loaded ANY network drivers yet BOTH work under 511 and earlier.

hmmmm.. zdrv problem I'd guess? Becuse the kernel and all drivers are the same./

Are you installing? If so, what way? More info? Say it LOUDER please.

Cheers

[Bert]

Hi Its like this, Puppy will never ever been a distro for all languages, I keep saying that this release needs a sfs just for locales or part of the language setup that it downloads from the repo at first boot all the locale files needed, If we supplied 100% of all locales and doc's the size would double overnight. 2.5 MB is a lot of extra bloat for just one application, puppy has over 200 files do the math ! and when was the last time you looked at the size of the latest Microsoft windows Seven DVD, Its massive. We Can not please all languages out of the box on the iso full stop. But If we used the repo, That could work Would be nice if each language would have its own sfs that could be automatically downloaded. But once again what a pain making 50+sfs's and then keeping them up to date, Its almost an impossible task unless you had a team of people dedicated maintaining it.
Yes the basic scripts should have locales, and the .desktop files should contain locales info, and keyboard types. But that's about it for the main iso, the rest should be server side. Its just too big.
ttuuxxx

ttuuxxx, no one is asking for a Puppy ISO containing multiple languages, let alone ALL languages.
What Playdayz has done by offering the Chromium .pet including locales, is just a nice gesture towards the international puppy community. He adds it to the repo, not to the iso.
One of the great things the Lupu developers have been doing is offering choice and making that a radical design decision.
You can continue to use your minuscule home-shrunk english-only Puppy if you like. But it is about time to realize there are others, with a different set of needs.
I was somewhat irritated by your reply to playdayz, as you're hammering the same nail again: "Remove the locales!" That's why I posted the chart, to put things in a wider perspective.

[Jades]

I've cut a CD and tried on two machines:
Dell Lattitude C840 & ThinkPad T42
Neither loaded ANY network drivers yet BOTH work under 511 and earlier.

hmmmm.. zdrv problem I'd guess? Becuse the kernel and all drivers are the same./

Are you installing? If so, what way? More info? Say it LOUDER please.

Cheers

The three main problems with the Z-drive system are:-

1. Nobody seems to have explained what it's for in the first post in this thread, where new testers are likely to be downloading Luci from.

2. It has a very obscure name - unless you know what the numbers mean there's no way of knowing what it's supposed to be from the filename itself and when Puppy /is/ working properly clicking on it doesn't say anything useful either.

3. If it /isn't/ in the same location as the luci_nnn.sfs file wierd stuff like non-working networking happens but there are no error messages generated at all (that I've seen) that would indicate that the missing z<whatever>.sfs file is the problem. I only found it out by looking at the LiveCD and noticing the extra sfs file - even then that required me to know that additional SFS files are loaded at boot.

I also note that the 'copy SFS files to hard drive' bit of the boot/upgrade sequence is still copying them to the root directory of the drive that the pupsave file is on rather than the directory actually containing the save file.

BTW, add GParted 0.6.0 to the list of Luci programs that generate an Illegal Instruction error on my K6 box.

[ttuuxxx]

Hi Its like this, Puppy will never ever been a distro for all languages, I keep saying that this release needs a sfs just for locales or part of the language setup that it downloads from the repo at first boot all the locale files needed, If we supplied 100% of all locales and doc's the size would double overnight. 2.5 MB is a lot of extra bloat for just one application, puppy has over 200 files do the math ! and when was the last time you looked at the size of the latest Microsoft windows Seven DVD, Its massive. We Can not please all languages out of the box on the iso full stop. But If we used the repo, That could work Would be nice if each language would have its own sfs that could be automatically downloaded. But once again what a pain making 50+sfs's and then keeping them up to date, Its almost an impossible task unless you had a team of people dedicated maintaining it.
Yes the basic scripts should have locales, and the .desktop files should contain locales info, and keyboard types. But that's about it for the main iso, the rest should be server side. Its just too big.
ttuuxxx

ttuuxxx, no one is asking for a Puppy ISO containing multiple languages, let alone ALL languages.
What Playdayz has done by offering the Chromium .pet including locales, is just a nice gesture towards the international puppy community. He adds it to the repo, not to the iso.
One of the great things the Lupu developers have been doing is offering choice and making that a radical design decision.
You can continue to use your minuscule home-shrunk english-only Puppy if you like. But it is about time to realize there are others, with a different set of needs.
I was somewhat irritated by your reply to playdayz, as you're hammering the same nail again: "Remove the locales!" That's why I posted the chart, to put things in a wider perspective.

Yes the locales should be removed, but unlike what Barry usually did which was toss them out, I've been making separate NLS pets and uploading them here in this thread, I only let them stay in packages when they are really tiny , like under 100kb or less, But 11MB NLS+Doc's for one app is really just a waste to included it for everyone to have on their home Pc's automatically.
Really what is needed is a script or addon to the puppy package manager, where you select your language on the package manager once and every time it goes to install a pet it would just install the one selected language locale and delete the rest. Same with doc's, a tick box to delete all doc's and man packages. Then this wouldn't be an issue. Size does matter when it comes to puppy. People like fast running operating systems, not over-bloated ones with language files and documents that they'll never use. Actually it could be part of a junk removal system where it gets the settings from the puppy package manager and deletes all the extra unneeded files.
ttuuxxx

[Burn_IT]

I tried it from the CD.
I tried installing it to USB (I'll try that one again)
I had sort of worked out that they would be in the sfs, but couldn't get it to load it. I always use Frugal.
Do you have to tell it to load that sfs or is it suppose to be automatic??
And what SHOULD it be called as I tried renaming it and using the boot option to include it?

edit:
Did a copy to folder on disk and boot from there an drivers found OK

It does need changing so that it finds them from the CD as a live CD.
And the explanation putting (as said) in the first post.

[mave]

Hi,

for me (german), it's often annoying installing a pet without nls-support. For a fast running and small puppy, i think, it's okay getting mostly first in english. For getting german (or other) language files often I compile applications extra and not every time with success. "Damned", why did this one used ./configure before writing --disable-nls instead giving us a nls-pet!

Puppy would be also great for many people I know, but it is not really usable for them without local language. Sorry, that's it

Please, write and update the system-wizards (gui's) in a nls-way for installing afterwards or for creating derivates! If english users don't wan't a bloated Puppy, okay. The rest of the world should have an own decision... I would (and I do) adding my locals to my system...

But, to all Puppians: thanks for this great Linux!

[playdayz]

I keep saying that this release needs a sfs just for locales or part of the language setup that it downloads from the repo at first boot all the locale files needed, If we supplied 100% of all locales and doc's the size would double overnight. 2.5 MB is a lot of extra bloat for just one application, puppy has over 200 files do the math ! and when was the last time you looked at the size of the latest Microsoft windows Seven DVD, Its massive. We Can not please all languages out of the box on the iso full stop. But If we used the repo, That could work Would be nice if each language would have its own sfs that could be automatically downloaded. But once again what a pain making 50+sfs's and then keeping them up to date, Its almost an impossible task unless you had a team of people dedicated maintaining it.

My plan has been to 1) make shinobar's language packs available in PPM. That will be a big step forward IMHO. They are not a perfect fit, but we might be able to do a little customizing to add the packages that are unique to Lucid 5.2. 2) Another thing we have started (but there is so much to do) is to place the NLS packs into PPM for individual programs--the one for mtpaint is there now for instance. 3) Finally, the locales are often included with packages such as Chromium 7. I have noticed that users really like it when the browser automatically speaks their language. All of the browsers btw are the full package, but not all include locales.

I would (and I do) adding my locals to my system...

Here are shinobar's language packs. Can anyone interested please test. Download the pet and install--and of course change the language with Personalize Settings or Chooselocale. Thanks http://219.75.239.224/puppy/lupq/opt/languages/

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