(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

The real problem is that no one stepped up to make a new puppy home page.
Without this everything is irrelevant.
Given a solid new puppy home page, redirections is a minor issue.

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You can not have "official" anything in an openly editable site where anyone can write anonymously (puppy page was vandalized few times).

And if you really want to start adding things to the wiki page (which is perfectly fine) you can also do that in http://puppylinux.org/ where Raffy could grant access to any willing person.

Bottom line, a "new" puppy official site, regardless of its web address, needs work.
The person(s) that will put in the work can choose which platform to use. Is a FOSS project after all

I wouldn't be too worried about vandalism on a wikipedia page that is being viewed/monitored by lots of people regularly. However, wikipedia is an encyclopedia resource, which I'd say is very different from what could reasonably be tailored to be a home page for any Linux distribution. In fact, Wikipedia emphasise that the scope of articles and purpose is limited to a particular style and content type:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... dia_is_not

The following is a brief extract, which I feel illustrates the limited nature of the type of content acceptable there:

Encyclopedic content

Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful. An encyclopedia article should not be a complete exposition of all possible details, but a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject.
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Self-promotion. It can be tempting to write about yourself or projects in which you have a strong personal involvement. However, remember that the standards for encyclopedic articles apply to such pages just like any other. This includes the requirement to maintain a neutral point of view, which can be difficult when writing about yourself or about projects close to you. Creating overly abundant links and references to autobiographical sources is unacceptable.

Personally, I think it is an interesting idea to use the Puppy Linux Wikipedia page as a home page for Puppy, but I think the article format required by Wikipedia is likely to be too restrictive for that use. Of course, the existing Puppy Linux Wikipedia is an important pointer to the main Puppy Linux sites, and should be updated regularly along with the currency of the distributions listed there. But if it isn't visited often enough, even that existing page is likely to become stale.

William

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You need a lead!!

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As Burn_IT said we need a lead. ie someone to actually start working on this.

The platform of choice is not really important!
Could be puppylinux.org, coupld be the github page that started this thread or just a folder in your computer that can be presented here with a series of slides and if agreed upon, uploaded in one of the existing or a new puppy site.
Making the proper dynamic and easily updatable pages is the challenge! Not their location.

mavrothal wrote:As Burn_IT said we need a lead. ie someone to actually start working on this.

I suspect we need not only a lead, but a group of folks who will work on the project.

There's simply too much information for one person to manage.

I was actually trying to lighten the thread a little as well.

The word "lead" was deliberately chosen so as to have several interpretations.

The funny one was in reply to the reference to dementia and putting Wanderer on a puppy lead to stop him wandering off.

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tlchost wrote: I suspect we need not only a lead, but a group of folks who will work on the project.

There's simply too much information for one person to manage.

Puppy Linux is supported, via this forum, by a community, not by just a small group of interested people, so any editing of any community Puppy home page should be all-Puppy-users inclusive (unless BarryK says or has said otherwise). No one is entitled to judge another user's opinions or contributions, especially now that BarryK has basically passed the project on to the Puppy users community. Puppy remains BarryK's copyright and the main domain name belongs to BarryK. I think these issues with domain name and Puppy development management methodology needs to be clarified from BarryK in view of his announced retirement. Otherwise, it is problematic creating a new home page whilst the old domain lies dormant and potentially restrictive if one (or more) dominant group(s) assumes leadership of an open source community developed and supported product.

William

mcewanw wrote: so any editing of any community Puppy home page should be all-Puppy-users inclusive (unless BarryK says or has said otherwise).

Oh, let's see, using that logic, every user here should be able to control the forum, or every user should be able to control the IRC channel.

Makes no sense to me.

Puppy remains BarryK's copyright and the main domain name belongs to BarryK. I think these issues with domain name and Puppy development management methodology needs to be clarified from BarryK in view of his announced retirement.

Yes....so we'll just wait and see what, if anything Barry does.

Shame you did not share the wisdom early on so people could simply stop trying to do anything.

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By the way, I don't know about the rest of you, but I hardly ever visit any Puppy site other than the forum (unless I want to download something). This forum is the centre (center) of all things Puppy for me, but it is a pretty huge jungle which could do with some taming in my opinion. Any new supposedly central, user-supported website, needs to become as active as this forum if it is to stay meaningfully alive.

As for above comment about my feelings/views. No problem, but I'm just expressing my opinion, which isn't particularly strong one way or the other (any longer) about matters like this.

William

This is all very interesting, but you may want to revisit the 1st post.
This is about a Puppy Linux entry point web site for the new-comer.
Like BK's original only a bit more 21st century.

It is not for a forum consolidation page or a puppy wiki.
Is the page you want your (grand)mother to see when she is trying to find about that "linux dog" she was told about

If you are interested in helping in such an effort, there is a suggestion in the first post for a collective effort, that currently looks like the picture below. Feel free to work on it.

If you are interested in other kind of puppy pages, please open a different thread or contact the site administrator of an existing site that may be of interest to you.

I think the home page should be a mix of
Puppy.com
Puppy.org

home pages.
and be Puppy.org
with Puppy.com just pointing to it.

If this needs Barry to OK it then so be it and I'm sure he will not disagree as long as the page is not abused.

We do need to nominate a Web Master for it, wherever it is.
The Web Master (ideally a small group) should only be allowed to update the site after changes have been "signed off" to prevent personality clashes.

Just my opinion.

Burn_IT wrote:I think the home page should be a mix of
Puppy.com
Puppy.org

That is the idea.
So basically most of the content is there.
What it really needs is web designers and graphic artists!

Burn_IT wrote:We do need to nominate a Web Master for it, wherever it is.
The Web Master (ideally a small group) should only be allowed to update the site after changes have been "signed off" to prevent personality clashes.

The beauty of the (git)hub proposal is that the woof team (see picture of current members) will be also the ones deciding which of the proposed changes actually go on the site.
Is like when BK was developing both puppy and its official site, only collective