Is Alco effective as a painkiller?

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#21 Post by jpeps »

nooby wrote:
Under these circumstances would I still feel unbearable pain
but alco make me not care life is good anyway with our without pain?

Or would the alco make me less sensitive to the pain?
Try stepping hard on the foot of an inebriated male at your local bar, and see if he's immune to pain. Ask him how his life is going.
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#22 Post by nooby »

jpeps that is a too risky thing for a wimp like me to try out.

so I trust that it hurts as bad as when sober but that one maybe
has a different attitude to it unless somebody step on ones toes
then one explode in anger towards that person. Did I get it? :)
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#23 Post by rokytnji »

Now. Does Alco help with pain it is it the attitude to the pain that change.
Having personally nursed my Mom back from the brink of death (sepsis).

I am going to catch a ton of flak for this but,

My Mom takes Oxycotin. I tried to be the young stud and preach about the perils involved.
The Demon in my Mom came out and put me in my place. I love her dearly.

She makes a Vodka with Lime water (12 ounces with a double shot) and washes down
the oxycotin every night,. I do not judge or preach any more.

She sleeps and dreams like my dogs laying under the air conditioning blowing on them
on a 115F degree day.

Do what works for you nooby. Screw anybody else You have earned any comfort you can get. Sorry to hear about your condition also.

Happy Trails, Rok.

P.S. I bake my MOM Brownies and have a way to get them to her also. Living on the Mexican Border has it;s perks.
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#24 Post by Amgine »

I agree do what works but, the people I know who use alcohol for pain are still in pain, I don't see them getting any better in fact I think they appear to be worse. It might work for some...

As for the pain killers, form what I understand the use of them they can cause pain after long period of use. Not to mention reading the side effect list.

Nutrition I think would be the best.....
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#25 Post by jpeps »

rokytnji wrote:
Do what works for you nooby. Screw anybody else You have earned any comfort you can get. Sorry to hear about your condition also.
Yes, and meanwhile understand that it can kill you.


"What should I avoid while using OxyContin?

Do not drink alcohol while you are taking this medication. Dangerous side effects or death can occur when alcohol is combined with OxyContin. Check your food and medicine labels to be sure these products do not contain alcohol."

http://www.drugs.com/oxycontin.html
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#26 Post by nooby »

So OxyContin and Oxycondon maybe are similar opiates?

Thanks Ro for caring about me. 115 F sounds high indeed :)

thats is 46 C here in Sweden Don't remember I ever had that heat
naturally but some "pre" sauna has it for weaklings while the Vikings
go for the high temp them need to feel manly. hehe.
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#27 Post by starhawk »

OxyContin is a brand name version of oxycodone, nooby ;)

BTW, the radio personality Rush Limbaugh was abusing that stuff for a while... it made quite a racket when the media found out.

Rush Limbaugh is a slimy jackass (no polite words for him!), so unfortunately it fits.
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#28 Post by nooby »

Haha the opiate pain killer drug will turn me into a Radio/TV host
of Tea Party Hugger fame and I will tour the USA telling the TRUTH (TM)
about how the world is.

That is what I refer to as change. From being a a nooby nobody
I then will turn into a famous special celebs feared by everybody HEhe

beware the chemical stuff keep to fast food jubk and be on the safe side. :)
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#29 Post by rokytnji »

Yes, and meanwhile understand that it can kill you.
Funny you mention that. I said the same thing to my Mom and even threw the guilt thing with , "I flew 2500 miles to save your life so you could light a cigarette, mix a drink, take hillbilly heroin?"

Mom being wiser than me and all hall monitors also tells me,

"Pain,Pleasure,Life, and Death are personal things. Only you can decide what works
for you. Nobody else . Try and live like I do.
Dream like you will live forever.
Live like you will die tomorrow".

Mom survived the WW2 Concentration Camps ,(as a small girl) and I would be the last one to tell her about how to live life. She is pushing 80. I hope I live that long.

It is good to see you joke around nooby. :D
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#30 Post by nooby »

I guess me joking is a kind of coping strategy.

The odd thing is that I have written about my life expectancy
to be about 5 years and that where some one or two Years ago
and I gave me at most ten to fifteen years due to me lack of exercise
so the wild guess 5 years was kind of right on the money then.

Sure it is still only a prediction from Doctor based on the average
survivor of such surgery she did on me but I trust they would rather err
optimistic than err on being too pessimistic giving no hope for the patient?
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#31 Post by Karl Godt »

Would a drink of say some 12 CC of Vodka
Do you talk of CubicCentiMeters ( ccm ) ?

Common Aquavit glasses are for example mentioned here :
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskyglas
Ett oldfashioned-glas rymmer vanligtvis 20–30 centiliter
Old Fashioned glasses usually contain 6–10 US fl oz (180–300 ml).[1][2] A double Old Fashioned glass contains 12–16 US fl oz (350–470 ml).[2][3]
1 liter should have 1000 ccm
1 centiliter = 10 ccm
1 milliliter= 1 ccm

-> 12 ccm = 12 ml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooter_%28mixed_drink%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_glass
A single shot is referred to as a fyra, meaning "a four" and a double is referred to as a sexa, meaning "a six", as Swedes will generally use centiliters rather than milliliters for any measure larger than 10 mL
Portion-Bottles of 20ml , 100ml and 200ml are common here at the cashier line at supermarkets .
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#32 Post by nooby »

Karl very good info there. Being way back in 1977
I am not good at remembering how I measured it up.

The book I used was produced by Karolinska Instituted
and wanted to warn youth to not use alco
and it told us that 6CCL was the minimal dose
that allow one to feel any kind of effect if have not eaten food for hours.

I trust it was 6 CC something. The bottle itself had the name
Taffelbrännvin and was sold in a 37CCL something so I joked
that I had at least 5 doses left when having consumed one dose.

37 - 6 = 31 CCL / 5 times = 6 CCL each dose?

But I barely remember. The Alco expert that I asked about
what to drink told me Taffelbrännvin had least of the "finkel"
and would not give me hangover like the others.
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#33 Post by jpeps »

rokytnji wrote:[ Only you can decide what works
for you. Nobody else . Try and live like I do.
Very true. In this case, Karl nailed it by providing ways to accurately measure it out. All the other responses were OT. Nature seems to have provided endless opportunities for improving the gene pool.
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#34 Post by nooby »

Sweden use to ways to measure Alco.

If the alco is strong enough to be taxed they measure it one way.
If it has too low level and should not be taxed then they use another method.

One is named Volume and the other is Weight but I don't remember which is which.

Here is the text from wikipedia on how to tax alco.
Skatt tas ut per liter för

drycker med en alkoholhalt om högst 2,25 volymprocent med 0 kronor
drycker med en alkoholhalt över 2,25 men inte över 4,5 volymprocent med 7,58 kronor
drycker med en alkoholhalt över 4,5 men inte över 7 volymprocent med 11,20 kronor
drycker med en alkoholhalt över 7 men inte över 8,5 volymprocent med 15,41 kronor
drycker med en alkoholhalt över 8,5 men inte över 15 volymprocent med 21,58 kronor (from 2008-01-01, tidigare 22,08 kronor)
drycker med en alkoholhalt över 15 men inte över 18 volymprocent med 45,17 kronor.
Google rough translation
Tax is levied per liter of

beverages with an alcohol content of up to 2.25 percent with SEK 0
beverages with an alcohol content higher than 2.25 but not more than 4.5 vol of 7.58 SEK
beverages containing more than 4.5 but not more than 7 vol of SEK 11.20
beverages with an alcohol content over 7 but not over 8.5 vol of 15.41 crowns
beverages with an alcohol content over 8.5 but not more than 15 volume percent with 21.58 kronor (from 2008-01-01, previously 22.08 billion)
beverages with an alcohol content over 15 but not over 18 by volume with 45.17 kronor.
The alco I tested named Taffelbrännvin most likely had some 40% something and is heavily taxed.

Lite Beer is 2.25 maybe and standard beer between 3.5 to 4.5 so the lite beer is seen as too lite for average people.

I have tested something named Cider which had some 1.8 or less
and it tasted awfully so no way that I am going to test such strong Beer as 2.25 way too strong.
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#35 Post by starhawk »

Cider, at least in the US, is spiced apple juice. There are both alcoholic and non-alcoholic versions...
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#36 Post by nooby »

for me not knowing math it is a mystery.

They have a flipping/tipping point at 2.25 Percent volume alco.
if it is lower it is seen as alco free and if higher it suddenly
change to pwercent per weight so 2.25 turn into 1.7 wight percent
something and get taxed heavily.

Here is a typical text on "non-alco" version of Cider.

Non-alcoholic cider is a popular alternative to soft drinks
and sold in Swedish supermarkets. Sales of weak cider,
with alcohol content up 2.25 per cent,
has been relatively stable in Sweden since 1992,
according to Sweden's brewers statistics.

Sales of strong cider, ie cider with alcohol content greater
than 2.25 percent, has increased since reporting began in 1997
I bought a six pack and it was not alco free it tasted extremely bad
and the bad taste lasted for days. But sure the alco level is so low
that you have to drink many such 50 CCL to notice you are drunk
I gave the rest to my thirsty neighbors :)

So it is free of the level that make you drunk but not free of alco
despite having that name on it.
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#37 Post by Karl Godt »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%A4nnvin
Brännvin is a Swedish word for liquor distilled from potatoes, grain, or (formerly) wood cellulose; it may be flavored or unflavored. The term includes vodka and akvavit, but akvavit is always flavored.
Beverages labelled brännvin or viina are usually unflavored and have an alcohol content between 30% and 38% ABV. European Union regulations reserve the name "vodka" for beverages distilled to at least 95% ABV and bottled at 37.5% or higher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandy
Brandy (from brandywine, derived from Dutch brandewijn, "burnt wine")[1] is a spirit produced by distilling wine. Brandy generally contains 35–60% alcohol by volume (70–120 US proof) and is typically taken as an after-dinner drink.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 433AAVYvz8
I'm a heavy drinker (370 ml vodka every day) for the last one year?
(http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%A4nnvin)

0,7 liter = 70cl = 700ml is the most common sold spirits bottle here, and there are 0,5 liter bottles once a while .

37cl would be almost a half of the common bottle size of 350ml .

To me one half of a standard bottle of spirits is Ok once a while , more burdens my stomach - but not every day .

I am not worried about your consumption of that little amount of spirits a day .
Seems that such bottle of 370ml would last about one week .
But consumption may rise .
There are nice girls at the alcohol withdrawal sections of our psychiatric clinics .
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#38 Post by nooby »

There are nice girls at the alcohol withdrawal sections
of our psychiatric clinics .


Sounds tempting then. When they cut me open
and they did the latest plumbing correction
of my intestine and colon cancer there they had
extremely many good looking 20 to 30 years nurses too.

but my experience of Alco is that when I am under the drug
then my body seems to not care much about such pleasures.

Maybe it change in future. As long as I am on opiates
Idon't dare to touch alco though. I stay away from it.
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#39 Post by Dewbie »

From NEWS of the WEIRD:
[quote]LEAD STORY -- The Bar Is Always Open

A 61-year-old Texas man admitted to a hospital not long ago appearing to be falling-down-drunk, even though denying having had even a single drink, was discovered to be unintentionally manufacturing beer in his stomach. With “auto-brewery syndrome,
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#40 Post by nooby »

Haha the wonder of nature has it's surprises.

What if one should try to mimic cats. Look here

They certainly love the CatNip Mint Herb as a drug?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx3ahCTz4bI

Smells good I've heard.
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