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Posted: **Thu 21 Jul 2016, 19:47**

a better pet is at gdrive (539K) updating slaptget, JL64 updater, ppm with salix and slacky repos: slaptget_PPM14.2upd-2.pet

Also an updated libreoffice-5.1.4-x86_64-1dj.sfs

Posted: **Sat 23 Jul 2016, 17:44**

updated claws-mail and its dependencies and moved it to 5_JL64-700.sfs (needs reuploaded if delta is applied)
Delta patch (14M) incorporates ppm/slaptget pet and change to initrd.xz to accommodate
new 32bit lib sfs and
new wine sfs (now separate from 32bit libs) available as separate downloads @ gdrive (see OP)
also rdesktop xz package @ repo

new generated iso:
Just-Lighthouse64-700.1.iso | 25862f5f15dc8b73f17a751f7f80d252

Posted: **Mon 25 Jul 2016, 16:41**

To enable salix repo for gslapt, add

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http://slackware.uk/salix/x86_64/14.2/

to /etc/slapt-get/slapt-getrc. Salix contains dependencies which will automatically download & install with selection. In some cases, this can be a double-edged sword, so use with caution (check /var/log/packages).

Posted: **Sat 30 Jul 2016, 07:30**

Posted: **Sat 30 Jul 2016, 09:09**

Someone's been busy!

Downloading now.

Posted: **Sun 31 Jul 2016, 23:54**

e01ce1a28d59dfb232149e62e0239f9f Just-Lighthouse64-700.2.iso uploaded

f8bbffc5a7ac29fc94f9b45609a9e0b2 mate-1.14.1-x86_64-3.sfs

If running with mate, below attachment will prevent fixmenus/sfs_load from calling up lxpanel (otherwise, hit bottom right icon - 'Refresh Desktop". Also in pet is xfce powermanager edited to not load under Mate.

A build note: while mate was constructed with msb packages, this build is more like the salix version which used matepanel-14.0 instead of 14.1/2. The panel upgrade will break puppy (requires full gtk+3 environment) if you get it to work and mate if you don't. Always take care with gslapt, and don't select "upgrade all". Despite what some may say, JL64 is architecturally puppy, not Slackware.

df

Posted: **Wed 03 Aug 2016, 16:39**

Very nice, 1st impression. Thanks for all the excellent packaging.

Posted: **Thu 04 Aug 2016, 08:44**

Just downloaded it......have one question:

Is this thing still considered in the Puppy-linux land? 412 MB download just for the ISO???
Holy crap>>>>>

Thought I was downloading a full distro of some linux by mistake. Puppies keep heading in this direction, how are they different from the full distros running out there like Peppermint OS, MX/Anti-x/ or even full mini versions of Debian and Ubuntu that are popping up that have brought themselves down into the 500-700MB range?? At the risk of getting sounding Pelo-like (just joking ya, Pelo

), when a puppy iso download breaches 500MB+, imho, we've completely lost sight of the forest for the trees. Then, we are no longer puppies, or even dogs; we've become warthogs....haha (I think I'm haha-ing

)

Thanks, DryFalls, will give this a go and report back off one of my netbooks assuming it survives the install.

Posted: **Thu 04 Aug 2016, 10:07**

LightHouse is still one of the best pups out there! Thanks to your continued work on it, Dry Falls, it is now even better!

The 6.4.3 kernel is working great.
I really like the desktop layout, and the tray/notifictions is ery comprehensive and functional.

I have had a bit of trouble connecting to wifi, using pwireless and my own wifi-connect (frisbee is a non-starter!). But that could be down to my 'environment'.

I have a multitouch tocpad and 3 finger touch is set to right click, works fine. Touch screen is workig good, as usual. I would like to get gestures working, namely pinch to zoom/shrink for web/photos. Scrolling web pages is the opposite of Windows scrolling. In puppy we move the bar down, in windows we move the page down. I am using Windows 10 as well, because it's on my new Lenovo Flex-2 15 pro i7 touch ultrabook. The Broadcom wifi card seems not to be supported. I might have to actually write in ndiswrapper to wifi-connect.

The iso is packed with essential extras! Great that no additional downloads are necessary!

t's great to have variety and choice, in puppyland!

Cheers!
stemsee

Posted: **Thu 04 Aug 2016, 21:15**

Hi @Belham.

In terms of the difference you ask about I hope this explanation sets well with you:
This distro is same in options for operations as most/all other PUPs. that is you can run Live DVD or Frugal USB. It bring an additional "SUPPORTED" option for a "FULL" installation. What sets PUPs apart from most all other distros is the combination of running in RAM with an visible option at shutdown to save all of your work. Further, on booting, additional PUP options exist for reverting to pristine boots as well as the same/similar boot options available at system start time. But, I am sure you already know this ability.

On its size: @TaZoC the original author envisioned a PUP that is an OOTB Linux version of most every subsystem found in a Mac/Windows PC. As you know, the LigthHouse series and Just-Lighthouse series distros are considerably smaller ISOs than options found elsewhere, while in this specific distro, functionality attempts to be equivalent/greater to those.

The current author, though not following the exact path of the original, has done a magnificent job in how he now envisions to package his work as he carry-on the work of the original fallen hero.

The size of an ISO is NO reflection of the value of the work that one has when the boot system opens to the desktop. It use of RAM to deliver subsystem services match what is found in most every PUP.

This is just a few thoughts that might be helpful.

@Dry Falls and others:

Anyone notice that in FirstRUN there is an video Update button? I cannot get it to work to select an nVidea offered solution for my 250 card.
Also, be aware that smbclient is not available so that searches of other LAN PCs for available resources can be an issue if you are accustomed to its services and use.

Hope this is helpful info

Posted: **Fri 05 Aug 2016, 00:58**

For video drivers (thanks for noting this, GC), copy to terminal:

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ln -s /usr/local/bin/chooser.sh /usr/local/bin/lhp-update

will open update dialog box in first-run.

Salix repo might be of help. The drivers at lhp.org are outdated so might not be suitable for newer devices. Check the JL64 Help pages for info on finding (at lhp.org), installing or compiling drivers. If it is a question of missing firmware, load kernel-firmware-20160628git-noarch-1.sfs and reboot.

As to the size of the iso, newer applications/packages/etc are much bigger than they were only a few years ago. There are also more complex dependencies demanded. This JL64 base file is about 80M larger than the original L64-602 file. Most of this is accounted for by the extra libraries and dependencies which you'd have to download later anyway, should you desire additional software.

On another note, smbclient is in the samba addon. Load the sfs, run simple samba manager from the menu, hit the initiate samba button and proceed as normal.

Stemsee, thanks. My box isn't wifi capable (for testing), so I've just had to trust that slackware has got it right. Let me know what you find out, if you will? As for the kernel, I used your latest SUKK pet. Only minor editing of .config file. I'd recommend your ubuild.sh to anyone!

Finally, a delta package is available (Deltas-160804.tar.gz - 40M) to produce Just-Lighthouse64-700.2b.iso (11M) with some bugfixes and bind upgrade.

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3_dev-extra.sfs___3_dev-extra.sfs.delta
3_kde-4.14.4-x86_64-700.sfs___3_kde-4.14.4-x86_64-700.sfs.delta
DOC.sfs___DOC.sfs.delta
Just-Lighthouse64-700.2.iso___Just-Lighthouse64-700.2b.iso.delta
Xfce-4.12.0-1-x86_64-4.sfs___Xfce-4.12.0-1-x86_64-4.sfs.delta
mate-1.14.1-x86_64-3.sfs___mate-1.14.1-x86_64-3.sfs.delta

(check click-to-verify & isolist for midsums)

df

Posted: **Fri 05 Aug 2016, 02:03**

Hi DryFalls,

Played with JL64-700.2 for several hours tonight. Overall, really nice work (please accept my apology...it seems my other post wasn't taken in the good humor it was meant to be, and others sort of jumped to your defense when there was no need). Here's what I found so far:

1. Unetbootin in the Menu, when clicked upon, does nothing. Even when I go into /usr/sbin and click on unetbootin, noting happens. Is it supposed to be installed? And functional??

2. Onboard sound does not work no matter what I do. Tried multiple times to set the correct choice in 'PupControlPanel' and 'Sound", re-started X (even rebooted several times), but JL64-700.2 refuses to save my sound choice and defaults back to its original choice with alsa (which should even work in the first place, but doesn't for my motherboard onboard sound---it's worth noting that on Fatdog64, the Xenialdogs/Pups, etc, I've never had a sound problem until now). Here are my install specs related to this if it helps you:

Pup-SysInfo Hardware Report (Summary), Fri 5 Aug 2016

Current Time: 03:08:57
System Uptime: 55 min
Load Average: 0.28 0.23 0.19

▶—— BASE SYSTEM ——◀

AMD Sempron(tm) 140 Processor
Max Speed: 2700 MHz
Current Speed of Core 0:2700 MHz
Core Count: 1

Min/Max frequency : 800/2700 MHz
Frequency governor : performance
Freq. scaling driver : acpi-cpufreq

temp1 (k10temp) : +32.0 C (high = +70.0 C, crit = +NA.0 C)

Memory Allocation:
Total RAM: 1746 MB
Used RAM: 1289 MB
Free RAM: 457 MB
Buffers: 145 MB
Total Swap: 2269 MB
Free Swap: 2269 MB

Linux Kernel: 4.6.3-JL64 (x86_64)
Kernel Version: #1 SMP Tue Jun 28 14:36:43 PDT 2016

Distro: Just-Lighthouse64 700
Desktop Panel: lxpanel 0.8.2
Window Manager: Openbox 3.6.1
Desktop Start: xwin openbox-session

Development:
Bash: 4.3.46
Geany: 1.22
Gtkdialog: 0.8.3
Perl: 5.22.2
Python: 2.7.11
Yad: 0.18.0
--
busybox: 1.24.0.git
dhcpcd: 6.8.2
GCC: 5.3.0
GlibC: 2.23
OpenSSL: 1.0.2h 3 May 2016, built on: reproducible build, date unspecified
wpa_supplicant: 2.5

Boot File System: ext4
Boot Media: usbflash

PUPMODE=7
PUPSFS=sde6,ext4,/JL64-700.sfs
PUPSAVE=sde6,ext4,/

▶—— DISPLAY ——◀

Display Specifications:
• Monitor VertRefresh: 60.02 times/s
• Screen Dimensions: 2560x1024 pixels (677x270 millimeters)
• Screen Depth: 24 bits (planes)

Xorg Startup Log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
• Xorg Driver in use: ati
• Loaded Modules: dri2 evdev exa fb glx radeon ramdac
• X.Org version: 1.18.3

OpenGL 2D/3D Rendering:

VGA controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] [1002:9710]
• Kernel Driver: radeon
• Memory Used: 1193.21 KB
• Path: /lib/modules/4.6.3-JL64/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon.ko
• Description: ATI Radeon

▶—— MULTIMEDIA ——◀

Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383]
• Kernel Driver: snd_hda_intel
--
Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4200 Series] [1002:970f]
• Kernel Driver: snd_hda_intel
• Memory Used: 20.08 KB
• Path: /lib/modules/4.6.3-JL64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko
• Description: Intel HDA driver

Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383]
• Kernel Driver: snd_hda_intel
--
Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4200 Series] [1002:970f]
• Kernel Driver: snd_hda_intel
• Memory Used: 20.08 KB
• Path: /lib/modules/4.6.3-JL64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko
• Description: Intel HDA driver

3. Openbox (and Zarfy) refuses to except a desktop save configuration where the main monitor is on the right, and the not primary monitor is on the left. It works fine when you get it set up when it is running, but once you save and exit for a shutdown and/or reboot, on the restart Zarfy reverses the screens every time which requires you to open Zarfy every time after a shutdown or reboot and set the screens correctly again.

4. Also, the bottom taskbar (LxPanel) in the desktop disappears if you are required to restart X a few times when doing other settings. It usually occurs after 4-5 times of re-starting X and once the desktop comes back, the bottom taskbar is completely gone and not recoverable, even when trying to bring it back via terminal Strangely, the Wbar is not affected at all. So, you're forced to use Wbar, do a shutdown, and then on the restart the bottom taskbar bar comes back (and then you have to do the zarfy thing above again).

Overall, great job. It is now part of my stable of Pups I use off a SD card. If I could just get the sound problem solved, that would be great. The image of my dual-screen desktop is below and attached. Lighthouse is back and going strong now thanks to your hard work.

It is much appreciated.

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Posted: **Fri 05 Aug 2016, 02:39**

Follow up using a pristine JLH.2.iso via a Live DVD (JLH system does NOT have latest patch-delta applied):

When I click a mp4 file, it plays with its audio, but, right click and xine selection yields an error.
Touch tapping an open area on a touch screen OR left clicking an open area of the desktop yields a Menu subsystem which does not match the taskbar's Menu subsystem.

Booted with Live DVD, 1st Multisessions option.

No packages, SFSs or PETs applied.

Posted: **Fri 05 Aug 2016, 06:13**

Hi Beltham. No worries, I wasn't offended. In fact, I celebrate with every megabyte I trim out of the base file. On your sound problem, there are a few things you can try. If you have very old equiptment, there is a pulse work-around in the multimedia which symlinks aplay to play. There is also an undo if this doesn't help. You might also try the firmware addon, as I suspect this is a kernel problem. You can also enable pulse audio by dragging the pulse desktop file from /etc/xdg/autostart/notused to /etc/xdg/autostart/ and then reboot. Xfce has a pulse widget for the panel which works best (click on menu, preferences, add item). I also experienced no sound at first, especially from pmusic. I discovered I have multiple sound cards. Ran multiple sound card wizard (from menu or sound button on first run dialog box) and restarted and it all worked.

The other thing I can think of is the 3_devx addon on the iso must be run to take advantage of full perl and python capability, which many programs rely on. By itself, (nosfs) lighthouse is good for simple tasks like interweb and soletaire. Well, there's lots of other cool stuff builtin too. I just tried unetbootin from the menu and it runs fine. But qt is one of the dependencies.

I know nothing of dual screen systems. I don't even have a touch screen, much less a handheld device. I'm sorry I couldn't test these features. I'm sure there's a work-around. On the other hand, zarfy is old. Not sure if that will make any difference.

On the disappearing panel, that is a memory and process load problem. I've noticed similar problems when restarting X or changing desktop environments repeatedly when the swap drive is in use. Read-writes to/from swap is not real efficient. May be common to the linux kernel. I take full credit for the kernel configuration as well as edits to the wmrestart scripts. I'd like nothing better than to have someone who knows what they're doing go over them.

GC, there is no xine in this distro. I found problems with the slackware offering so all there is is ffmpg. Mplayer (requires samba), vlc and xmms (on kde) are available. I've tried newer vlc but none work as well as the old (2013) version so I stuck with that. You may also wish to load the additional sfs addons for full lighthouse functioning. Notably, python, perl and qt.

The right-click and panel menus are different by design. I've mentioned this before.

Thanks all, so much for testing this thing,
df

Posted: **Sat 06 Aug 2016, 04:04**

Here's a pet to switch from retrovol to alsa mixer. Restart after installing pet. Open pulseaudio volume control from menu and enable or disable the sound card you want. For example, I mute the pcspeaker in alsamixer and it seems to be working ok. Unfortunately, you need to have mate sfs loaded as it has libspeex libraries. I will rectify this later. If you have no luck, change to xfce desktop or mate desktop and repeat the procedure. If you change back to openbox or jwm thereafter, it will inherit the "cookie" that was generated and pulse should work thereafter. Also, pulse ignores any changes made with multiple sound card wizard since that works with retrovol.

you can move retrovol_tray from /root/Startup/DisabledItems to /root/Startup without, it seems, any conflict for the panel volume control in open-box and jwm.

edited 08-06 same pet as before but with libspeex (if you run without mate addon) and support for lxde desktop

Posted: **Sat 06 Aug 2016, 18:21**

midsum verification script after delta patches are applied (rename to 'click-to-verify-sfs'):

Posted: **Sun 07 Aug 2016, 09:02**

Dry Falls wrote:Here's a pet to switch from retrovol to alsa mixer. Restart after installing pet. Open pulseaudio volume control from menu and enable or disable the sound card you want. For example, I mute the pcspeaker in alsamixer and it seems to be working ok. Unfortunately, you need to have mate sfs loaded as it has libspeex libraries. I will rectify this later. If you have no luck, change to xfce desktop or mate desktop and repeat the procedure. If you change back to openbox or jwm thereafter, it will inherit the "cookie" that was generated and pulse should work thereafter. Also, pulse ignores any changes made with multiple sound card wizard since that works with retrovol.

you can move retrovol_tray from /root/Startup/DisabledItems to /root/Startup without, it seems, any conflict for the panel volume control in open-box and jwm.

edited 08-06 same pet as before but with libspeex (if you run without mate addon) and support for lxde desktop

Hi DryFalls,

Am really struggling with this sound thing. I installed the .pet (thank you for doing that!), but still I've no sound no matter what machinations and combinations I go through.

To check my sanity, I then re-downloaded the JL-64-700.2 (and delta) and went to another machine, with a completely different motherboard & sound card, installed a fresh JL-64 there, and, once again....there's no sound on that machine also. I am fairly proficient in Linux, and with Pups (been using them 7+ years now), so this is driving me nuts that I can't figure it out. On all these machines, i currently have SD and/or USB installs of the following:

LxPupXenial32
XenialDog32
Tahr64 6.0.5
Quirky 8.0
Fatdog64
Slackp32&64

....I rotate and use these frequently, and I've never had a sound problem till now, on any of my machines. The fact, on two different machines, I've now no sound with JL-64-700.2, is it possible that something went wrong with the making of the JL-64-700.2 (and delta) regarding the sound setup?

I'll keep trying here and see if I can track this down. I also have 2 or 3 more systems I can test this on (laptops and such), but I've a bad feeling the sound is not going to work on those either.

GCMartin (and Billtoo), did you guys test playing media (either on the desktop and/or via any browser, and did you both get sound??)

Posted: **Sun 07 Aug 2016, 20:09**

With the pulse audio pet, you can add to line 99 of /usr/local/bin/defaults-chooser:

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"pamixer"

and then in setup | defaults-chooser, pick pamixer as default mixer. Seems to perform a bit smoother with pavui control. But if you have no sound in the first place, there are either conflicting sound cards or the kernel is not properly configured for your box. The chosen mixer probably makes no difference at all. Trying a different kernel will tell you if that's the problem. I'll upload a different kernel package today or tomorrow.

By the way, the xfce addon (on the iso) must be loaded (it will autoload first run) for pamixer & pavucontrol.

attached feh pet should help conky & backdrop switcher if you choose not to run 5_JL64-700.sfs:

Posted: **Sun 07 Aug 2016, 21:17**

k4.6.2-PuPpYx86_64.tar.gz is uploaded to JL64-700 directory (@gdrive - see opening post). This is Stemsee's build for x86_64 kernel. Extract vmlinuz & initrd.xz. Kernel sources up shortly.

Posted: **Tue 09 Aug 2016, 17:25**

Dry Falls wrote:With the pulse audio pet, you can add to line 99 of /usr/local/bin/defaults-chooser:
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"pamixer"
and then in setup | defaults-chooser, pick pamixer as default mixer. Seems to perform a bit smoother with pavui control. But if you have no sound in the first place, there are either conflicting sound cards or the kernel is not properly configured for your box. The chosen mixer probably makes no difference at all. Trying a different kernel will tell you if that's the problem. I'll upload a different kernel package today or tomorrow.

Hi DryFalls,

Finally got the sound to work, I again did exactly as you said (line 99, edit to pamixer, then choose it in setup | defaults), but this time I saved and instead of restarting X-desktop I rebooted, and I'll be danged if sound isn't working perfectly now. So all is good. Thank you for your help! I'm going to stay in the XFCE desktop, though I did like how it came originally setup with openbox.

Thank you again! This distro really has everything in it, every time I think I might have to download something, I go searching, and yup, there is already an alternative in JL64 or the actual script/program itself.

P.S.

Dry Falls wrote:midsum verification script after delta patches are applied (rename to 'click-to-verify-sfs'):

I downloaded the midsum verification script, took off the fake.gz, made it executable, and ran it. Is this the output (below, pics) I am supposed to receive??? I have all your latest SFS files loaded at startup...sorry, these damn fake.gz things, I never know if I am handling them right...everything says "FAILED" when I ran the script....here's the sfs files that load at startup:

3_dev-extra.sfs

gvfs-1.26.3-x86_64-1.sfs

JL64-700.sfs

js185-1.0.0-x86_64-1.sfs

Xfce-4.12.0-1-x86_64-4.sfs

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