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Iguleder · #1681 Post by **Iguleder** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 15:11

nooby, this discussion doesn't belong here - but yes, it's totally different. Sort of a "Debian-based Puppy done right" - has its own kernel, its own repo and consists of around 90% Debian packages.

ttuuxxx, it's 159 MB (with Xorg_High built-in and Iceape), 146 MB without Xorg_High but with Iceape and much, much less if it comes without a browser. It's about the size of Luci.

#1682 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 15:28

luci is 136MB your latest is 23MB larger, I wouldn't call that about the same size.
Lets see
Barry's latest Firefox is 9.9MB
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... 6.9-w5.pet
Then add the gimp I made for Wary 6MB
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... 7.1-w5.pet
plus its deps gegl 387kb and bebl 66kb
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... 1.2-w5.pet
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... 1.2-w5.pet
Then add the Latest static Inkscape I made for Wary 6MB
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... 8.0-w5.pet
The totall 22.35MB still have 2.7MB to play with before its about the same size.
Plus those packages are tar.gz not compressed sfs, heck that would be another 30% extra. Do you see my point? And that's your starting point, usually it gets bigger after that.
Anyways wrong thread. Hope you find some fat in it.
ttuuxxx

edoc · #1683 Post by **edoc** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 15:37

nooby wrote: So the answer is no I don't boot from flash I boot from frugal install using Shinobar's grub4dosconfig booting menu.lst

What is different is that the menu.lst and bootmgr is on Sda1 and the OS are on Sda3 if that put in some delay that is too slow for Luci-239 to handle while both Fluppy and Quirky allow themselves to boot but Murky and some other often fail to boot.

Lupu511 allow itself to boot wile LupQ fails to boot. All use exact same entry at menu.lst

I observed a Luci-239 boot failure that appeared to be triggered by a "Cat: /etc/oldmousedevice" conflict - which put it in a xorg loop. (This is on a CF-28 laptop) I saw problems with the failure to recognize a BCM5705 wifi nic and that the screen lighting turns to a light green and is severely dimmed on a z500 laptop). Of the 4 laptops on which I tried Luci-239 none of them were handled correctly. Something(s) got broken and I think it happened after Luci-236. WDYT?

nooby · #1684 Post by **nooby** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 15:44

Edoc, I guess you hit the proverbial nail something.

I use an USB Mouse and that maybe makes the boot fail on luci while it works on Quirky.

Yes Iguleder I agree. Apology to Playdayz and all of you for derailing.

Still would be cool to test the insidius puppy when it arrive for download.

zigbert · #1685 Post by **zigbert** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 15:58

ttuuxxx wrote:heck that would be....

here we go again

#1686 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 16:05

zigbert wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:heck that would be....
here we go again

Now zigbert you of all people should have a point of view like myself, during 4.2 build you did, You were trying to save 10kb here and there.
puppy 4.0 was like 77MB, and now woof's are like almost 150MB iso's with higher sfs compression, No wonder why they take 77MB of memory plus at bootup. The days of 40MB boots are quickly long gone.
I just would like to see some refining or restraint with initial releases and offer larger versions. Maybe a older Xorg and smaller kernel, and have another release with the latest bloatiest kernel,xorg etc.
ttuuxxx

edoc · #1687 Post by **edoc** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 16:18

For many a minimized base with Pets and SFS's to customize makes sense.

For the turnkey-type a loaded release with everything already in it (MS/Apple-style) may be an alternative.

Rather than "or" it can be "and".

#1688 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 16:28

Anyways Iguleder your doing a great job, constant quality releases, just because we both don't see eye to eye what a initial release is. Doesn't take away anything from your achievements to puppy. Keep up the good work

ttuuxxx

Sylvander · #1689 Post by **Sylvander** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 16:33

@DaveS
1. "The reload icon is now placed at the right hand end of the address box"
(a) OK, I see that.

(b) I've also discovered that if I right-click on the back/forward arrows there is a display of the list of pages.
I can click one of those to go where needed.

(c) Now all I need is how to get a display of progress when going to a new page.

Billtoo · #1690 Post by **Billtoo** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 16:58

This is the mrxvt terminal emulator compiled in luci 239, it creates an
entry in the Utility section of the puppy menu.

The font size is a little larger than rxvt and it has
tabs,transparency, and more options available in the mrxvt menus.

playdayz · #1691 Post by **playdayz** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 18:41

Any indication at bottom right of the progress of opening a page or whatever.

Yeah, it took me a while but I finally found it--they moved it up to the tab.

playdayz · #1692 Post by **playdayz** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 18:51

Choose File > Open Song/playlist
and work your way to your folder full of songs
using Zigberts' file browser

Thank you don, but the problem seems to be that I have a folder full of folders full of songs. IMHO, it should recursively load them all.

playdayz · #1693 Post by **playdayz** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 18:58

a great localization idea. I understand this would mean a major effort for the developers. Localizing Puppy as it is, is a complicated thing to do. But some sort of start is needed. People distro -hopping will all too soon leave Puppy, as there's no consistent internationalization. So one language =>> one language pack as a pet or sfs, isn't that something that is urgently needed?

shinobar has already done this and we hope to have them available in PPM for Lucid 5.2.

playdayz · #1694 Post by **playdayz** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 19:07

Weekend Update

I have applied the Woof that Barry posted today. There is so much new in it that I was slightly apprehensive but so far so good. It is designed to correct the issue of network connection not being persistent and sound cards not being detected and configured properly as well as *many* other things.
http://bkhome.org/blog/.

I am also trying to catch up a few odds and ends from the last 5 few pages of the forum. A soon as I can post this luci-240 we will start the final phase.

playdayz · #1695 Post by **playdayz** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 19:10

I use an USB Mouse and that maybe makes the boot fail on luci while it works on Quirky.

A usb mouse should not be a problem. I have a couple of them.

nooby · #1696 Post by **nooby** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 19:29

What is it that can explain it then? Sorry I should be more consistent and report what others that failed too but I got so dpressed I deleted them and also from menu.lst and only kept what worked each time.

Lupu511 as in Puppy Studio does work each time.

Newest Quirky 14 does work each time. Fluppy-008 works each time.

Luci-239 almost never first boot and maybe next or next but most likley third try or fourth.

So some kind of timing issue.

Could it be the famous IRQ thing. They could compete over an irg and such is highly time reliant.

playdayz · #1697 Post by **playdayz** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 19:30

ttuuxxx, Ogle looks great. Thanks. I was looking at the old goggle you made just a couple of days ago.

playdayz · #1698 Post by **playdayz** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 19:31

What is it that can explain it then? Sorry I should be more consistent and report what others that failed too but I got so dpressed I deleted them and also from menu.lst and only kept what worked each time.

Lupu511 as in Puppy Studio does work each time.

Newest Quirky 14 does work each time. Fluppy-008 works each time.

Luci-239 almost never first boot and maybe next or next but most likley third try or fourth.

So some kind of timing issue.

Are these on CD nooby? If so, it might be a cd that is hard to read.

sszindian · #1699 Post by **sszindian** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 19:50

239 still does NOT configure (on boot-up) or save my Internet-setup (to my save-session file.) Same problem from back in 237 and 238.

I'm currently using the Lucid Puppy-511 "Quickset Edition" and that program automatically sets up Internet on boot-up, saves configuration to disk on shut-down, works like it should on every boot-up! Someone developing on 520 version might want to take a look at their program and see what they did to make things work???

EDIT to original post (9:50PM EST): Just finished a test with 240... "the problem IS NOT corrected yet!!!" Although, I must say, everything else seemed to about double for speed. PupRadio streaming audio program didn't want to start on first try but after several additional try's, it just kicked in and started working, that was strange? however, the video isn't "sync" with the audio and Youtube presents the same problem. The only puppy that seems to have this mastered is Quirky. and Quickset Edition isn't too bad.

zigbert · #1700 Post by **zigbert** » Sun 28 Nov 2010, 20:02

ttuuxxx wrote:Anyways Iguleder your doing a great job, constant quality releases, just because we both don't see eye to eye what a initial release is. Doesn't take away anything from your achievements to puppy. Keep up the good work
ttuuxxx

Thank you ttuuxxx, - I like what I read.

Yes, I FULLY agree with you!!!!!! I too think we've got a huge bump in iso-size lately, and I would have done it different.........BUT these guys are actually doing it. - and I love them for that. While Puppy 5.0 didn't impress me too much, Puppy 5.1 has become my daily system, and I guess Puppy 5.2 will be even better. I remember very well that Puppy 4.0 wasn't too stable either.

Sigmund

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