Puppy 4.2Beta Seamonkey Bugs & Fixes

[ttuuxxx]

Added fixed fonts and backgrounds in
-pwget-0.1-2-1.pet
-Pawdioconverter-1.2-v1.pet
located on Page 1 of this thread

[zigbert]

also what do you think of libburn, cdrkit, libisofs and replacing Pburns dependencies with them ? From what I've read they produce less errors and work better in general.

ttuuxxx
Puppy includes today cdrkit (794kb). Cdrkit is a fork of cdrtools maintained by debian. Barry replaced cdrtools with cdrkit during the development of Puppy4. It fixed some issues like cddb info. It could be that libburn is more stable than cdrkit, I don't know. What is the weak sides of cdrkit?

Changing Pburns dependency to libburn won't help mush in the big picture. A quick brainstorm of Puppy apps using cdrkit are:
- Puppy core (multisession handling)
- Pdvdrsab
- Pbackup
- Remaster script
- Pcdripper (optional)
- Pburn

Your Xfburn package are impressive, but your comparison of dependecies are a bit out of line (Xfburn 500kb and Pburn 2.3mb). Pburn mostly uses Puppy builtin packages. The only additions are vcdimager (72kb) and normalize (26kb). Pburn itself is 64kb.

When better alternatives shows up, we should switch to those, but in most cases, there is no need to rush. In this case, Xfburn is a newcomer, and should get time to grow up first. Compared to Pburn it lack features as:
- Burning Video DVD/CD
- Copy disc
- Support of blu-ray
- Verfying
- Md5sum
- Normalizing audio


Sigmund

[jcoder24]

Providing a smp enable puppy is relatively simple and could be provided as a xdelta package. I did a test a while back and I think my xdelta (to convert a standard puppy to smp) was around 18M. The complete iso with smp was surprisingly smaller by a few MBs (maybe some modules were missing).

The biggest issue would be producing a devx and providing extra kernel modules for it like kqemu, lirc, vmplayer etc.


As for gnumeric, I find that I use spreadsheets more often than word-processors. In fact I prefer to use gnumeric rather than a calculator.

[rcrsn51]

I did a test of Xfburn and found that it did not work properly on my 800x600 Xvesa screen.

[WhoDo]

i'm getting a little confused with the packages...

did you allready get mtr-0.75?

You're getting confused?! I've got three prolific packagers all producing newer versions quicker than I can download them!

Yes, aragon. I already have mtr-0.75 thank you.

[WhoDo]

Aesthetics. Looks ok on LCD display. Haven't checked on CRT yet.

sorry, no aesthetics, bad eyes. if you change it to the little lighter blue of the 'other' text it would be ok.

Ok, ok, I'll have a look when I get the chance.

Ok, I've had a look. Here is where the text color is being set for the boot screen. (boot.msg)

Code: Select all

logo.16
                                   0f4.2 Alpha0b

For a list of boot options, press the <F2> key.
Puppy will boot automatically in 5 seconds...

Pizzasgood gives a good explanation of what to change to fix your problem. The relevant hex codes are either side of the 4.2 Alpha text in the above example. I suggest you play with it on your own install and then let me know what colours work best for you. Note that they will have to be colours from the palette of the included image as PG explains.

The colors in those files are defined by the 'SI'-looking symbols. The first letter after one of those is a hexidecimal digit (0-9,a-f) and defines the background color. The second letter is for the forground. Normally they set the normal colors you'd see in a 16-color terminal environment, but when an image has been loaded they'll get the colors from that image's pallet instead. So on the boot.msg screen, all text is some shade of blue. On the help.msg screen, there is no image, so they're normal.

Hope that helps

[aragon]

You're getting confused?!

i see your point but sorry, NO MERCY

aragon

[ttuuxxx]

Hey WhoDO

I've been working on the icewm package, To start with I reduced all my themes in size, the largest is 95kb LOL, I had to remove your theme because it was too large weighing in at 289kb when you add up my themes the size is 315kb for 7 themes, yes 7 themes including a new one I made last night called 'Sand' its a light theme,lol and when compress the themes directory into a pet its 79kb, and when we compress your 1 theme its 77kb, do you see where I'm going with this?
I remade 3 of my themes out of system links and 3 or 4 images, the smallest theme, probably the smallest theme ever for icewm is, 8192B
and the other one is 10kb linked to Odelite. So my updated icewm package will be a lot smaller, I might make one or 2 more linked themes before repackaging it, Hows that sound? I'll look at the icewm themes and try to find a few light ones where I'll reuse a few images.
ttuuxxx
Can you believe 'Sand' is so small and System linked on Odelite???

[ttuuxxx]

Now its 7 themes at a total of 79kb compressed pet.
updated above
ttuuxxx

[Flash]

some more bugs:
- using pwget rxvt-output is 'not' readable (no aesthetics;-) )

pwget is Lobster's creation. I have no idea why the call to rxvt is producing white-on-white with wget. Sorry.

All I have to say to that statement 'Lightbulb goes off'
WhoDo you are the one to blame for this error and also Pawdioconverter, woooooo I can see the clock wheels spinning now, lol ok I'll stop being pricky now, (long day with the wife, )
The problem is when you changed the background on rxvt from white to black, some programs like rxvt and pawdioconverter were only using half of rxvt default settings,
pawdioconverter had a light orange default background with a black rxvt text colour, which looked great when it was developed but they never figured WhoDo whould go and change the font colour to white on light orange, hence nono #1,lol
nono#2 lobster and his creation he sets the background to almost white colour and uses rxvt's default black, and once again WhoDo colour change to white font, messed that up also.

So when you say WhoDO 'I have no idea why the call to rxvt is producing white-on-white with wget. Sorry. ' Really the lightbulb hasn't been turned on , or has it now? Lol ttuuxxx
Sorry WhoDo it was fun, I like it when ever its not just me with a blond moment.
I also fixed pwget, But I might spend a bit more time on both of them and see if I can change the font permanently.
ttuuxxx

Ttuuxxx, if you change all the applications that use rxvt's default text color, then I go and change rxvt's text color to black and the background to white so I can read it, how's that going to mess up what you did?

Perhaps an easier solution would be to leave those applications alone and instead make it easy to change rxvt's text and background colors, for instance from an entry in the System or Utility part of the main menu. Just open the rxvt color menu, choose a color for the text and one for the background, and walla, problem solved.

By the way, I tinkered with the background color a bit after you said where the setting is. I tried "light blue" and it worked. Is there a list somewhere of the color commands that rxvt will recognize?

[ttuuxxx]

pwget is Lobster's creation. I have no idea why the call to rxvt is producing white-on-white with wget. Sorry.

All I have to say to that statement 'Lightbulb goes off'
WhoDo you are the one to blame for this error and also Pawdioconverter, woooooo I can see the clock wheels spinning now, lol ok I'll stop being pricky now, (long day with the wife, )
The problem is when you changed the background on rxvt from white to black, some programs like rxvt and pawdioconverter were only using half of rxvt default settings,
pawdioconverter had a light orange default background with a black rxvt text colour, which looked great when it was developed but they never figured WhoDo whould go and change the font colour to white on light orange, hence nono #1,lol
nono#2 lobster and his creation he sets the background to almost white colour and uses rxvt's default black, and once again WhoDo colour change to white font, messed that up also.

So when you say WhoDO 'I have no idea why the call to rxvt is producing white-on-white with wget. Sorry. ' Really the lightbulb hasn't been turned on , or has it now? Lol ttuuxxx
Sorry WhoDo it was fun, I like it when ever its not just me with a blond moment.
I also fixed pwget, But I might spend a bit more time on both of them and see if I can change the font permanently.
ttuuxxx

Ttuuxxx, if you change all the applications that use rxvt's default text color, then I go and change rxvt's text color to black and the background to white so I can read it, how's that going to mess up what you did?

Perhaps an easier solution would be to leave those applications alone and instead make it easy to change rxvt's text and background colors, for instance from an entry in the System or Utility part of the main menu. Just open the rxvt color menu, choose a color for the text and one for the background, and walla, problem solved.

By the way, I tinkered with the background color a bit after you said where the setting is. I tried "light blue" and it worked. Is there a list somewhere of the color commands that rxvt will recognize?

Hi flash if you look at the image below, All 3 applications will have the same text and background for good. You can change rxvt to any colour you want, but it will not change these applications anymore, I have coded both colours into each. So now they are fixed for good

a better way of doing the colours is by replacing your 2 colour codes lines with these ones.
Rxvt*background:"#D45454"
Rxvt*foreground:"#FFFFFF"
then go to Menu/Graphic/GColor2 - choose colour and use the wheel, select the colour and chance the numbers in the quotes, make sure you leave the quotes and number sign there also, its part of the code.
ttuuxxx

[Pizzasgood]

Even when the package list is finalised, I won't create it until I find out how Barry does that quickly and easily. I refuse to manually edit hundreds of package files. I've got enough to do. When I do create it, as promised earlier, you will be the first to know.

The ./createpets script does that, along with producing all the .pet packages out of the packages/ directory. Unfortunately, that means it's more difficult than necessary to include the lists inside the iso - you'd have to build them, add them, rebuild them, and then add them again, overwriting the previously added versions (so that they reference themselves properly).

Well, you could manually update them to account for themselves too I suppose.


Might be a good idea to split the code that handles that out into it's own script, and have it automatically run as part of ./createpuppy, placing them in the 0rootfs_skeleton package and automatically making sure they reference themselves by simply processing the 0rootfs_skeleton package a second time at the very end.

Not that I'm volunteering. I can and will do it eventually if nobody else does, but that could take a while.

[Lobster]

Regarding Pwget. I started adding the facility to download a whole website as well as files - see here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 540#273930
but got a little confused
So if that line I mention can be added that would be good

[growler]

It seems there are several screens that change the colour of rxvt background - the ones I noticed were the universal installer information and prompt boxes - we have pink with white text which is barely legible at one point - making a USB hard drive bootable - and light yellow with white text - which you can just make out.

Maybe pragmatically going back to black text may be better than hunting down all the scripts and applications that mess with rxvt's background colour to ensure there is apporpriate contrast.

I am not sure what has changed with Xvesa but I am unable to shutdown from Xwindows running xvesa - it seems to go into a loop and restart - if someone else reported this then sorry to repeat. I have to kill x manually - I can't even CNTRL+ALT+Backspace to ditch it - it respawns.

pwigets still very slow to come up - on a dual core 2 Gig RAM machine - that ran 3, 4, and 4.1 reliably.

[ttuuxxx]

It seems there are several screens that change the colour of rxvt background - the ones I noticed were the universal installer information and prompt boxes - we have pink with white text which is barely legible at one point - making a USB hard drive bootable - and light yellow with white text - which you can just make out.

Maybe pragmatically going back to black text may be better than hunting down all the scripts and applications that mess with rxvt's background colour to ensure there is apporpriate contrast.

I am not sure what has changed with Xvesa but I am unable to shutdown from Xwindows running xvesa - it seems to go into a loop and restart - if someone else reported this then sorry to repeat. I have to kill x manually - I can't even CNTRL+ALT+Backspace to ditch it - it respawns.

pwigets still very slow to come up - on a dual core 2 Gig RAM machine - that ran 3, 4, and 4.1 reliably.

yes and no growler ,it makes sense to revert back, but what if users want to change it on there own? then they would be lost, I don't mind fixing it, as long I as know which programs are messing up, and fixing it the way I do, can't be changed by rvxt.
ttuuxxx

[CatDude]

Hi

@ Flash

Is there a list somewhere of the color commands that rxvt will recognize?

I found this online http://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/rxvt1.html
Scroll down towards the bottom of the page.

Hope this helps
CatDude
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[aragon]

@ whodo

i have gnumeric 1.8.4 running, i will test it this weekend and post if it's stable.

aragon

[ttuuxxx]

Added icewm-402-v7.pet
This version has 8 themes and when they are compressed they take 85kb total, expanded 330kb. I built 2 new themes 'Sand' and 'Citrus'
The Citrus theme is built for young kids or women maybe, most will find it too bright, but kids love those things, Citrus is 13kb expanded and 7136B compressed, LOL This package total size now is 655kb pet, almost down 300kb compressed in size and plus it has 2 new themes, I think it came out pretty good. I did notice one thing, when you change a icewm theme from look=gtk to look=flat you lose the menu button animation and if you have about 30 pages open it makes it hard to tell where the page starts and ends to click on the taskbar, I for one like the gtk look button better with the animations. So some of the themes are flat and some are gtk. So people have a choice.

Next I was reading the seamonkey thread we have in the forum, And I was asked about the email, and newsreader, well Claws mail can import seamonkey mail by default, Thats what I read, and as a newsreader goes, well I don't know anyone who uses them at all, I think adding one to puppy would be a waste of space if it wasn't real tiny, like under 30kb or something, So anyways I went on a hunt for a gtk newsreader, well I guess one of the best is called Pan, It can download newsnet files and usually gets a 5/5 when its been tested. Actually pan looks very nice, but its too big to install by default, 758kb pet. So anyways I compiled it and it can be found on the first page of this thread with the rest of my files.
ttuuxxx

[tasmod]

I'm getting an odd problem that I didn't have before.

SeaMonkey occasionally loads a page, reports done but page is blank.
This keeps happening until I shut it down and restart SeaMonkey again.

Is this a known issue?

[WhoDo]

I'm getting an odd problem that I didn't have before.

SeaMonkey occasionally loads a page, reports done but page is blank.
This keeps happening until I shut it down and restart SeaMonkey again.

Is this a known issue?

This is a page load timeout issue. It happens all the time on this forum when the page response is too slow for Seamonkey's timeout setting. Reloading the page over and over until it catches and loads inside the timeout sometimes works. Closing the page and reloading again frequently works IF the cause of the slow load has disappeared. In the case of forum pages, that means uploading in the thread being viewed has completed.

I don't know where the page load timeout setting is for Seamonkey, so I can't tell you where to go to extend it. Maybe ttuuxxx can since he compiled the latest Seamonkey for 4.2 DeepThought.

Hope that helps