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Thanks, James! I rewrote it several times and cut and pasted twice - still got something wrong...
PS: but you missed the curly bracket at the front of the URL - possibly the troublemaker?!
More to the point, how about the content?!

Sage wrote:Thanks, James! I rewrote it several times and cut and pasted twice - still got something wrong...
PS: but you missed the curly bracket at the front of the URL - possibly the troublemaker?!
More to the point, how about the content?!

Agree with you about the laptops, I've got a couple that I never use.

The EOMA68 in the link is interesting as a desktop alternative to experiment with. I'll pass on the laptop concept though.
My thought is it's similar to a modular Raspberry Pi, plug into a case and you have a desktop or a laptop.Anything low priced that will run linux is worth consideration I guess.

Sage wrote:Replacement or s/h screens cost more than an entire used, complete working unit.

that's why we deliberately picked an LCD with an extremely common and hugely-widely-used size. make and model.

the 1366x768 15.6in LVDS LCDs from LG - the LP156WH-TLN2 - look them up on ebay. then look them up on panelook.com. $49 on ebay from china, with *free international shipping* - wow! that's not going to break the bank, is it? panelook.com: you can find 100,000 or 1,000,000 for around $25.

the reason why they're that low cost is because they're used *right* across the board in *huge* volumes in a dozen different $300 laptops that are sold in walmart, best buy, asda's, aldi's, tesco's, pc-world...

i could say more but i feel you probably get the point.

James C wrote: Agree with you about the laptops, I've got a couple that I never use.

... because you've given up, because you *know* you can't upgrade them any further than their capacity? RAM, CPU, all maxed out and too old for current software?

huh... how about that. wouldn't it be cool if there was a laptop where you could literally pop out the *entire computer* and put in a replacement CPU, RAM and boot storage, all in one really easy credit-card-sized 5mm form-factor?

funny if that actually existed today on a crowd-funding site, that would be, huh?

The EOMA68 concept is great but they are a little under powered for my liking.

I have a Pi2 and it works fine but it was a toy for about a week, now it sits in the draw collecting dust

*I* can answer that one.

Totally different chip. ARM is not like x86, where there's a very broad base set of safe expectations amongst modern chips. Some ARM chips are microcontrollers, like an Arduino but slightly (and only slightly) more powerful. NXP's LPC1114 is notable for being in a 28-pin DIP package. It's... not the most powerful of ARM microcontrollers, but you can breadboard it. Some other ARM chips are suitable for controlling a phone or tablet (we know). Some are... in between. Usually those are higher-end router chips. All of those families are ARM, and all are reasonably modern.

It's more... it's like you have everything from 386 to say a high-end Core2Quad or the like, capability-wise, but they're all roughly the same age and design era. There's a massive spectrum there.

The Pi uses a somewhat custom Broadcom chip, and from everything I've heard it's mostly GPU with a little token processor stuff thrown in for good measure. I have a Pi Gen1 Model B like that. I have no use for the bloody thing, honestly more because of the lack of a proper power management setup over than anything else.

The Allwinner A20 is a completely different SoC from anything Broadcom, except for the fact that the two have an ARM-licensed CPU core in them somewhere.

Besides. Web-browsing is mostly what people do these days, and last I heard that was a single-core activity. It's not like you're going to need all that to fire up Firefox!

Web-browsing is mostly what people do these days, and last I heard that was a single-core activity. It's not like you're going to need all that to fire up Firefox!

Quite so! And, sadly, all those activities under the heading of 'gaming', notably, presently, encompassing 'VR'. Remember, the Chinese invented (heavier-than-air) flight but spent a century or so engaging in kite battles. The Germans devised gliders, but it took another century to get a person into the cockpit (apart from a couple of indoor tethered experiments in the UK mid C19th.)
The point about RPi and BBC Bit is a concerted attempt in GB to get kids interested in control systems and programming which is the real future. Uphill task - wrong country(ies). Capitalism is only interested in £££$$$, not advancement of rational, equitable and efficient societies. The world is riven with useless politicians seeking world domination & co. It' all going to take a very long time....

There's also this initiative, which, before anyone starts, will also be available without Windows 10. That is of course, if they ever meet their Kickstarter goal.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13 ... -pocket-pc

smokey01 wrote:The EOMA68 concept is great but they are a little under powered for my liking.

you don't - you *can't* have an EOMA68, you can't *have* a concept, it's not a physical item that you can hold in your hand. EOMA68 is a standard.

you *may* be referring to the pass-through card which turns e.g. the Laptop Housing into a NexDock (see update https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micr ... rough-card )

you are probably referring to the EOMA68-A20 which is a computer card based *around* and compilant *with* the EOMA68 standard.

it is the first in the series.

you will get faster EOMA68 Computer Cards in the future.

you will be able to sell the older ones on ebay.

people will want to buy them.

they'll buy them and put them into rack-mounted co-located server hosting and make $3/month

they'll buy them and put them in tablets for the kids.

they'll buy them and put them into routers or freedomboxes.

I have a Pi2 and it works fine but it was a toy for about a week, now it sits in the draw collecting dust

surprise. i have 5 {insert SBC name here} that i don't use. it's why i designed EOMA68, so that the resale and reuse value due to interoperability would be greatly increased.

think "memory card" - think of all the benefits with "memory card".... now extend that to "computer card".

@ solo -- haha, um. Intel is discontinuing the SoC Atom chips -- including the one they're trying to use there. I've heard this now from several people I trust.

I hope, for their sake, that Ockel has a 'plan b'... otherwise they're just contributing to the already-immense pile of Kickstarter failures... not to mention that it basically forces perpetual vaporware status on their product.

starhawk wrote:@ solo -- haha, um. Intel is discontinuing the SoC Atom chips -- including the one they're trying to use there. I've heard this now from several people I trust.

I hope, for their sake, that Ockel has a 'plan b'... otherwise they're just contributing to the already-immense pile of Kickstarter failures... not to mention that it basically forces perpetual vaporware status on their product.

I would like to tell them this, it's just that they all look so nice and chipper and downright positive in their team presentation shots on Kickstarter, that I just don't have the nerve.

Well, most Kickstarters don't go very well, even the ones that get their money...

...so they're sort of destined for trouble of one sort or another anyways...

...so, since it's kind of inevitable that they'll get a few stormclouds in front of their sunniness... might as well

You'd think folks would know better than to dabble with the Wintel cartel, but, no, there's a whole nation over there worshipping at their shine...

Has anyone else noticed this? I switched my Mini on for the first time in months and the upgraded OS has lost Google Apps.

There are workarounds (which I haven't tried yet) but this does rather take the shine off a nice little gadget.

I hadn't used it for a while as I needed access to an HDMI monitor and the rest of the household were reluctant to relinquish the telly.

Fixed that problem by buying a flatscreen TV with an HDMI input at a charity shop/warehouse. Plugged in the Mini and half an hour later it's all gone pear-shaped!

What fun.

drongo wrote:Has anyone else noticed this? I switched my Mini on for the first time in months and the upgraded OS has lost Google Apps.

There are workarounds (which I haven't tried yet) but this does rather take the shine off a nice little gadget.

I hadn't used it for a while as I needed access to an HDMI monitor and the rest of the household were reluctant to relinquish the telly.

Fixed that problem by buying a flatscreen TV with an HDMI input at a charity shop/warehouse. Plugged in the Mini and half an hour later it's all gone pear-shaped!

What fun.

Happened a few months ago, luckily the workaround is really easy.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/remix-mini ... ay-access/

http://forum.xda-developers.com/remix/r ... e-t3432029

Here's a good explanation of EOMA-68

http://rhombus-tech.net/
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'ey Don, that's Luke's (Puppy handle 'lkcl') own website -- Luke being the guy who started this whole thing and is the primary developer.

Unbelievable though it may sound, he's been working on the EOMA-68 standard for ten freaking years...

lkcl wrote:

smokey01 wrote:The EOMA68 concept is great but they are a little under powered for my liking.

you don't - you *can't* have an EOMA68, you can't *have* a concept, it's not a physical item that you can hold in your hand. EOMA68 is a standard.

you *may* be referring to the pass-through card which turns e.g. the Laptop Housing into a NexDock (see update https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micr ... rough-card )

I was.

I do like the idea but it needs some grunt. If you can make a plug in device with ample grunt you sure will have a winner. You are either going to p@#s off a lot of manufacturers or revolutionise the market. I hope you are successful.

I quite like the positive arguments speaking for the EOMA68 Computing Device. For my personal less-demanding needs (ViM programming, interactive fiction), the first version should be already fast enough.

So I decided to get one (actually, convinced a friend to back one plus wooden case for me). Hopefully Puppylinux and this cute computer can team up together in 2017....

...possibly sooner, if you can convince the Puppy dev known as 'jamesbond' to support it... I've not had luck, as far as I can tell.