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HAD TO LOOK up ALEC, and your view of them in entertaining. I WONDER if there is a controller above ALEC that feeds both political parties ( not a lobby we swear ) The sameness of the talking points and lack of concern in areas I think is under addressed. Together with lack of action in the roles of checks and balances has me conserned. Federal Government seem unwilling to respond to voters left or right. When people start to compare this party or the other to NAZI Germany I kinda laugh. To me we are already at the point the Government is telling Americans what they believe and how they should act Americans like the poor Germans population forcefeed prior to the Government going fully deaf to the people. It took just under a decade before WW2 for a Peaceful nominal Christian population to be subverted by its leadership. I think we are not seeing the same here because unlike Germany we have what looks like a two party system and checks and balances. But I see none of the activities a two party system nor desire to check abuses of power by any branch of Government.
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gcmartin
You are echoing just what is occurring. Please do NOT take this the wrong way, as I mean NO malice to you (although I think you know me better anyway).
The problem here is that the general masses have lost an understanding of who does what in US governments, no matter if we talk states or federal.
The cycle: Congress creates the laws, Government administers laws appropriated by Congress, and the Supreme court and the Court system interprets those laws when "challenged". The key word for the court system for which police department work for, directly, even though they fall under the jurisdiction of Administration is "Challenge". Anytime anyone ends in court, it is a result of some challenge to the existing law. Should something bubble to the Supreme court, state/federal, they determine 2 things: Did lower court follow the rules AND is the law Constitutionally correct. If lower court is upheld, then move on. If not Constitutionally correct, the specific law is thrown out and usually lands in the lap of Congress, state/federal, in need of a new law or abandonment of the old.
Congress is the people's representative and makes laws, some/many, that may be Constitutionally correct: By Charter, they represent the People. Presidents decide how to administer the legal things via the 13+ Departments which report to him, directly: Its his charged responsibility. Courts judge the people by the body of existing laws in its jurisdiction.
CONGRESS is the ONLY body in US which make laws! Presidents need no one to go to War. Most often, though, Presidents ask Congress for a supporting law to justify any War behavior. Presidents DO NOT MAKE LAWS. If no one challenges the laws made by Congress, it stands.
I have been told that most in the US population miss this understanding and it is forgotten by the time they leave formal education. As such, THEY (the controllers) understand this of the populace. And THEY use this to advantage.
The problem here is that the general masses have lost an understanding of who does what in US governments, no matter if we talk states or federal.
The cycle: Congress creates the laws, Government administers laws appropriated by Congress, and the Supreme court and the Court system interprets those laws when "challenged". The key word for the court system for which police department work for, directly, even though they fall under the jurisdiction of Administration is "Challenge". Anytime anyone ends in court, it is a result of some challenge to the existing law. Should something bubble to the Supreme court, state/federal, they determine 2 things: Did lower court follow the rules AND is the law Constitutionally correct. If lower court is upheld, then move on. If not Constitutionally correct, the specific law is thrown out and usually lands in the lap of Congress, state/federal, in need of a new law or abandonment of the old.
Congress is the people's representative and makes laws, some/many, that may be Constitutionally correct: By Charter, they represent the People. Presidents decide how to administer the legal things via the 13+ Departments which report to him, directly: Its his charged responsibility. Courts judge the people by the body of existing laws in its jurisdiction.
CONGRESS is the ONLY body in US which make laws! Presidents need no one to go to War. Most often, though, Presidents ask Congress for a supporting law to justify any War behavior. Presidents DO NOT MAKE LAWS. If no one challenges the laws made by Congress, it stands.
I have been told that most in the US population miss this understanding and it is forgotten by the time they leave formal education. As such, THEY (the controllers) understand this of the populace. And THEY use this to advantage.
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BarkBarkBark, can't find what doesn't exist. Please provide links. Still think you are expressing an option not based on fact but fear and isolation of different views. FDR has very little to resembles to current Democrats, Sanders is not a majority in the party but is the closest to FDR. FDR was a strong leader and heavily influenced by wealthy think-tank types so much so that those ( ALEC ) types had to dissappear into the background, and are still in hidding for both sides.
PBS has a solid series on FDR and gave most all the views about his legacy, That he changed things is unmistakable, but he did so by pushing Presidental Boundaries and it had rubberbanded snapped back against him.
After FDR died and his VP took over, next election an Republican won. 4 term no long an option.
That was the brief break in Democrats rule I posted a day ago.
PBS has a solid series on FDR and gave most all the views about his legacy, That he changed things is unmistakable, but he did so by pushing Presidental Boundaries and it had rubberbanded snapped back against him.
After FDR died and his VP took over, next election an Republican won. 4 term no long an option.
That was the brief break in Democrats rule I posted a day ago.
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gcmartin
I am not sure how ALEC, which did NOT exist then, became aligned with President FDR. This group is only about 20 years old, starting small and growing to its position to take over the country. I see no resemblance to FDR.
I have seen the documentaries on FDR. And having a little pulse on history, he had some significant issues he had to face in what he did during his presidency. Coming through the depression, and going through WWII, it had to be difficult for any leader to have to stomach the issues of those times, much less, taken any pragmatic steps to bring the country around. And then there was Eleanor, a handful, but no less an intellectual. I only wish I could have known the man, seemingly strong willed, persistent, and a thinker.
Today, the US has seen several of its Presidents taking bold steps in efforts to keep its people focused, and carrying a sense of growth and improvement with it.
Excepting a couple, in Canada and US, these Public servants seemingly are an exceptional crop of individuals who in many cases have set aside their own prior views in efforts to benefit their country's people. This usually has occurred when their advisors has presented knowledge and facts that allows a clearer picture to be visited, not to mention a willingness to gather available useful knowledge to support the decision processes with that clearer view. I do realize that not everyone is/was capable/willing of this.
I can only hope that we find more responsible individuals who will be inclusive in what they do for public and people's benefit. Sometimes taking a correct approach is not always seen in positive light. Nay sayers are everywhere.
BTW: Nothing I offer in this thread is generalizations. This information is public. You may want to interpret as you see appropriate.
Now, its time for me to get back to the technical aspects of the forum.
I have seen the documentaries on FDR. And having a little pulse on history, he had some significant issues he had to face in what he did during his presidency. Coming through the depression, and going through WWII, it had to be difficult for any leader to have to stomach the issues of those times, much less, taken any pragmatic steps to bring the country around. And then there was Eleanor, a handful, but no less an intellectual. I only wish I could have known the man, seemingly strong willed, persistent, and a thinker.
Today, the US has seen several of its Presidents taking bold steps in efforts to keep its people focused, and carrying a sense of growth and improvement with it.
Excepting a couple, in Canada and US, these Public servants seemingly are an exceptional crop of individuals who in many cases have set aside their own prior views in efforts to benefit their country's people. This usually has occurred when their advisors has presented knowledge and facts that allows a clearer picture to be visited, not to mention a willingness to gather available useful knowledge to support the decision processes with that clearer view. I do realize that not everyone is/was capable/willing of this.
I can only hope that we find more responsible individuals who will be inclusive in what they do for public and people's benefit. Sometimes taking a correct approach is not always seen in positive light. Nay sayers are everywhere.
BTW: Nothing I offer in this thread is generalizations. This information is public. You may want to interpret as you see appropriate.
Now, its time for me to get back to the technical aspects of the forum.
Yes ALEC seems new but wealthy people in the know used to be a postive thing to advise how laws could effect the economy, Thanks to FDR over relationship to such, it became the hidden negative it is today. Second not Judgment on FDR doing what he and his advisors enacting laws the times demanded someone with strong leadership. USA was lucky to get strong leaders from both Parties during that time.
That is exactly the opposite of today neither party has an establishment leader, not even willing to have pride of Branch and push back against abuses of other Branches.
I am almost scared that if Texas Governors gets his way and does get enough other Governors to do a Fed vs. State Check and balances, if the results are ignored by the Feds, we have no recourse.
That is exactly the opposite of today neither party has an establishment leader, not even willing to have pride of Branch and push back against abuses of other Branches.
I am almost scared that if Texas Governors gets his way and does get enough other Governors to do a Fed vs. State Check and balances, if the results are ignored by the Feds, we have no recourse.
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gcmartin
OK, a question before leaving.
Aside from that, if in fact is true, where would they go? How would that benefit its people? And YES, ALEC controls Texas as I recall. I dont see any Texas politician leaving that fold. ... Unless of course, somehow Texas populace find the laws and the control they have placed upon the people is out of line, thereby branding and replacing its lawmakers and governor.
But, if the people are unaware, how would they know to make changes. ALEC thrives on it undercover that club-members never publicly acknowledge. With their financial wealth and media control, how will people know....maybe word of mouth?
Lastly you mentioned who controls. Look again and check the prominent names in the Tea-Party (not those who ran for office at the state levels; not politicians). You'll see.
- Isnt Texas the ONLY state in the Union of 50 that has an exclusive option to leave the Union?
Aside from that, if in fact is true, where would they go? How would that benefit its people? And YES, ALEC controls Texas as I recall. I dont see any Texas politician leaving that fold. ... Unless of course, somehow Texas populace find the laws and the control they have placed upon the people is out of line, thereby branding and replacing its lawmakers and governor.
But, if the people are unaware, how would they know to make changes. ALEC thrives on it undercover that club-members never publicly acknowledge. With their financial wealth and media control, how will people know....maybe word of mouth?
Lastly you mentioned who controls. Look again and check the prominent names in the Tea-Party (not those who ran for office at the state levels; not politicians). You'll see.
No TX calling for a Convention of the States and not leaving USA, big big difference. As for leaving USA once again Texas had in its past had the right to disband and reform as a Rebublic Nation. However the joining of the CSA negatively blocks that preexisting clause. Sam Houston used it to leave USA and wanted to sit out the Civil War others force him out of office and reformed under CSA.
But it doesn't matter if Texas wants to leave and form there own country Oklahoma and LA has already wanted to be a part of the New Republic of Texas. We would just do it, claim the untested since Civil War clause and put the onus on the tattered Remains of USA lol. Texas was NOT attacked when it left the first time even when there was a few week gap between joining CSA.
Second note I was offered free training by ALEC when I was a board member for a civic Government, which better than being charged like the other group in a Democrat controlled area.
It became to nothing since both seemed a waste of a weekend. There is a type of Peer pressure in civil board to choose either only ranking members got the training paid.
It is somewhat slick in the whole industry that trains board members in being more effective and successful growing government influence. It is like a Cancer, not just Democrats and Republicans but other -ism have there groups.
But it doesn't matter if Texas wants to leave and form there own country Oklahoma and LA has already wanted to be a part of the New Republic of Texas. We would just do it, claim the untested since Civil War clause and put the onus on the tattered Remains of USA lol. Texas was NOT attacked when it left the first time even when there was a few week gap between joining CSA.
Second note I was offered free training by ALEC when I was a board member for a civic Government, which better than being charged like the other group in a Democrat controlled area.
It became to nothing since both seemed a waste of a weekend. There is a type of Peer pressure in civil board to choose either only ranking members got the training paid.
It is somewhat slick in the whole industry that trains board members in being more effective and successful growing government influence. It is like a Cancer, not just Democrats and Republicans but other -ism have there groups.
I admire the expressive passion, but it's more like the baby's bib: "spit happens." FDR was a strong progressive leader ... but "better throw them a bone before they grab the whole haunch" was also part of his thinking. Timing also has much to do with it. Churchill was a great wartime leader, but was voted out of office immediately afterwards for good reason. No one gets into a power position by being nice, and power corrupts, but we are not being led by demons awaiting the Antichrist (I hope). Sadly, people tend to get what they deserve. Americans (and others) need to work on their earning power, and I'm not talking about money. The Tea Party leaves me aghast, but I know some good folks who are in it. The Koch brothers and Tobacco interests helped that along, but they don't own or control it. Standing up for your principles is a good thing, and people should be permitted their mistakes. I make lots of them. I may advocate socialism, but I don't expect it fix everything. I estimate I might be 30% correct in my thinking, but I do think and try. I've never learned much from folks I agree with. Rock on!
Today only. Anger not. Worry not. Be grateful working karma. Be kind.
BACK ON Trump topic.. not sure if Dish Network is doing me a nice freebee or not but I do not have FoxBusiness viewership normally but its on free tonight.
Wish they would give me TNT so I could watch Spurs vs. Cleveland ( preview of possible finals championship teams ) tonight.
Was hoping the less Trump like Trump would have continued. He seemed normal for a good 3 to 4 minutes,
Human normal not Trump normal for Trump.
Wish they would give me TNT so I could watch Spurs vs. Cleveland ( preview of possible finals championship teams ) tonight.
Was hoping the less Trump like Trump would have continued. He seemed normal for a good 3 to 4 minutes,
Human normal not Trump normal for Trump.-
gcmartin
CSA - Confederate States of America
Here is a documentary which imagines a country with continued slave roots.
There is a wiki clef-note available too.
I saw this. Some have responded that "not much has changed".
Here is a documentary which imagines a country with continued slave roots.
There is a wiki clef-note available too.
I saw this. Some have responded that "not much has changed".
REALLY NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED!!!!
People were property and enslaved. Saying that not much has changed is a outsider looking in. It made a life changing difference to those who had people DIE to gain those freedoms. NOTHING CAN COMPARE with true enslavement. Those who try to equivalency cheapen the suffering and degradation on the humans enslaved, to me its a clue the person using that is a racist or whatever is the term to cheapen the suffering of others once enslaved
People were property and enslaved. Saying that not much has changed is a outsider looking in. It made a life changing difference to those who had people DIE to gain those freedoms. NOTHING CAN COMPARE with true enslavement. Those who try to equivalency cheapen the suffering and degradation on the humans enslaved, to me its a clue the person using that is a racist or whatever is the term to cheapen the suffering of others once enslaved
Slavery was a terrible social response to an economic need that was completely unfair to a relatively "small" number of Blacks who were kidnapped and used to make money. Now we have an indenture system that is modestly unfair to just about everyone and a prison system that frankly targets any minority to make money. Things have changed, but we've fixed less than we'd like to think. People are still subservient to the economic improvement of a few who own corporations instead of plantations. The PR (public rationalizations) is much better and far more convincing. Now we're doing it the right way! If you look at history in that light, you'll notice that things always get more rigged to further advantage an elite in countries that form alliances to damage and destroy any countries that try do something more "social" to meet their economic needs. I'm not sure there is a good way of doing what we're committed to. I think we are now actually less bad at it, but I'd like to see more social improvement and less economic emphasis. Trump is the epitome of what I dislike and disapprove of.
Today only. Anger not. Worry not. Be grateful working karma. Be kind.