How to install video card drivers and configure XORG?

[Marley]

Hi,

I've been working with Puppy Precise 5.7.1 for a little while.

I installed it to an old hard drive I had and was running programs no problem - but I don't think I ever configured the video card properly.

I've basically just been muddling along but recently I wanted to figure out how to install Sims 3 and though I have followed a number of suggestions and possibilities with Wine and playonlinux which are mentioned on various threads nothing seems to work.

At best I get to the main menu and there's blank or fuzzy error messages which just force me to quit (sometimes there's a retry button but it doesn't do anything).

I was always suspicious that I didn't have the video card configured properly - I managed to locate a pet package for AMD catalyst 9.3 which is supposed to be right for my card (according to their pdf link here and the AMD site where they go through a selection process with you).

But with that, running sims 3 in a terminal I still get errors - something about open gl etc -

I figured it might be best to start from the beginning - like the idea 'when all else fails read the instructions!' - and try and get the video card working with the best drivers (presumably AMD Catalyst 9.3).

How do I go about doing this?

I have a Radeon X800 GTO with 256 MB sdram (PCI express x16)

Any help in this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

[linuxcbon]

Hi,
I think your game should also work without catalyst, because catalyst doesn't bring much difference except a "little" speed, thats' all. So the problem comes from either : wine, playonlinux, sims3. Run wine, playonlinux, sims3 etc and everything from terminal to show us all the error messages.
Cheers

[ardvark]

Hi....

Could you post the exact error message you're getting?

By and large, I think getting Windows software working in Wine is a touch and go process. Some things work, others don't.

Regards...

[Marley]

Hi there

First - question is there a way to copy the error message from the terminal - I can't copy paste - but I thought there was a way?

In anycase, I tried out the various versions again - and the ones with the least 'daunting' error messages (for me ) came from installing wine-1.7.34.pet and wine-1.6.2.pet (not at the same time - I did it separately and didn't save the sessions).

With both of these I got the same message:

wine: failed to initialize: /lib/libc.so.6: version ‘GLIBC_2.17' not found (required by /usr/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so)

I looked around the internet earlier in the day and found 2 packages -

libc6_2.17-0ubuntu5.1_i386.deb
libc6_2.17-0ubuntu5.1_amd64.deb

But the first seems to freeze up puppy and I have to manually shut off the computer if I load it.
The second (amd64) doesn't seem to have an effect.

I'm not sure to check if they loaded properly because they don't show up in the puppy package manager and I'm not sure.

The libc in the Precise puppy package manager download window is only 2.15 or so it seems to me.

Thanks for your help I realize that wine doesn't run everything but I have seen people running sims with puppy so I live in hope!

[ardvark]

First - question is there a way to copy the error message from the terminal - I can't copy paste - but I thought there was a way?

Hi...

Probably the easiest way is to install "sakura" from the Puppy Package Manager. It's a terminal that has the copy and paste feature included. Make sure to install all the dependencies.

Not sure why Puppy is freezing when you install the 32 bit file. 64 bit has no affect because you don't have a 64 bit OS.

How do you have Puppy installed?

Regards...

[Marley]

Thanks for the tip about sakura. My puppy package manager had it but then when I tried to download, I got an error message that the files weren't in the archive or something - I did find a pet in ibiblio for sakura so I will try that (I'm assuming it will work ).

Though, at the moment . . . your next question made me consider I've messed with my computer a bit too much and might have to wipe a lot and reinstall.

I am really glad you can run puppy from a live cd or usb! Means when I screw up from messing around I can still get my work done - though I am trying to have better habits and not screw up my system so much!

You asked - how do I have puppy installed - well, I'm not exactly sure. I did a terminal code recently that was supposed to tell you and supposedly it's a frugal install. What I have is an old 40g hard drive and I did a dual boot with Windows 98 because I thought I could at least run Sims 2 from Windows 98 if I couldn't figure out Wine.

Then it turns out my video card (the x800) needs drivers to work with my mother board and though I found the catalyst set - it silly because I can't use Windows (can't see anything on the monitor - it doesn't load past the flash page just freezes) to install the drivers!

Very silly.

So, that partition is sitting there being dumped into with various files that I have tried to clean out - like if I'm surfing on the net or something I put things there - not sure why - bad habit but like I said I did clean it up recently so it's not too bad.

Then the other partition was the Linux Puppy Precise - I say was because I started messing with Sims 2 and wine and downloaded or installed something so that now I can't get onto that partition - when I boot (that partition is the boot partition) I get this blue screen which asks if I want puppy or windows.

Since I screwed up that partition I created another one and loaded another version of Precise onto it but I noticed it wasn't the boot partition - or so I think - and I have created a few sessions there - so Now when I boot I get the first screen where I can choose Windows 98 which I can't use because of the Catalyst drivers being absent - or Precise which I messed up with the drivers or something - or the other install of puppy which asks me next which session I want.

Good news is I have some other hard drives which are able to be formatted - or I could just wipe this one and start all over - but I'm not sure how to do that. And I'm not too keen on messing up the other hard drives like this one - so.....

Thing is I think you might be onto something insofar as I think that because I'm on the one partition with Sims3 and wine the system can't find the files it's looking for maybe even if I had them?

Sorry to write a novel here - if you have any ideas of how best to proceed - even if you say just wipe it all (let me know where to figure that out ) and start again - that's cool too!

Thanks again for your help/input!

[bigpup]

How to copy and paste in a terminal.

In the console terminal that comes with Puppy.

Using the mouse.

Copy- left click hold and highlight

Paste- middle button click

Also works to copy from terminal and paste to other programs.

Also if you use copy method that comes with other programs you can paste in terminal by middle mouse click.

If you do not have a middle mouse button.

Clicking the left and right buttons, at the same time, will have same effect as middle mouse button.

shift+insert will also work to paste.

[version2013]

Hi there

In anycase, I tried out the various versions again - and the ones with the least 'daunting' error messages (for me ) came from installing wine-1.7.34.pet and wine-1.6.2.pet (not at the same time - I did it separately and didn't save the sessions).

With both of these I got the same message:

wine: failed to initialize: /lib/libc.so.6: version ‘GLIBC_2.17' not found (required by /usr/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so)

What version of GLIBC does your full/frugal install of Puppy have?

# ldd --version

[Marley]

Hi version 2013

I'll copy paste using the 'trick' bigpup mentioned - (Thank you bigpup! )

# ldd --version
ldd (Ubuntu EGLIBC 2.15-0ubuntu10.4) 2.15
Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Written by Roland McGrath and Ulrich Drepper.

Thanks for your help!

[OscarTalks]

Precise Puppy has glibc (aka libc6) version 2.15 and it is not a good idea to try to update this. What you should do is ensure you are installing packages that are suitable for Precise and this glibc. The error message posted above suggests that the wine is not suitable for installation in Precise so you should look for another version. Same applies to any other packages.

[Marley]

Hi OscarTalks,

Thank you for the input. I would have suspected that - I've seen there's a lot of versions of wine.

I have seen version2013 has a lot of pets made up for wine - I tried a bunch (not sure if they were his or other wine pets I found) but I suspected I would have to get some sort of correspondence with the base files of whatever version of puppy I was using when I saw various error messages just didn't know what was important or at what level the lack of correspondance came if that made sense.

It's good to be able to get input from much more experienced people!.

Thanks!

[bigpup]

Use the Puppy Package Manager (PPM) to remove whatever version of Wine you have installed.
Get Wine from here:
For Wine.

Make sure you have the latest version of Wine.
Good place to get Wine for Puppy.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=88711

Also, look on the first post of the Wine topic for a added program that puts Wine entries in the menu.

Read the first post carefully. It has a statement telling you which pet package to use for the version of Puppy you have.


When you get Wine installed and the Wine menu entries.
Run Wine config to setup Wine.
It will probably offer you a few more programs needed for Wine to run properly.
Should download and install them as part of the initial config.

Also, in Wine config->Drivers Select autodetect to get all the driver locations loaded in Wine.

A lot of settup options in Wine config, so check them all.

What version of Windows you want Wine to mimic can affect how a program runs. Wine Config->Applications.

About specific programs running in Wine.
Go to the Wine web site and see what it says about a specific program and issues.
http://www.winehq.org

Using Wine is almost like learning a new operating system.
Takes a while to learn how to use Wine and to get things working properly.

[Marley]

Thank you for all the links - I came across this thread but didn't understand which wine to use or why -

With all the error messages I've gotten and the clarifications here I understand a bit more -

I downloaded the recommended pet for Precise 5.7.1 and after installing the mono and gecko packages that were requested plus libmpg123.so (from the package installer) I got up to a point where I could try running Sims through wine.

I first got an error message saying

wine: cannot find L"C:\\windows\\system32\\TSE.exe

[bigpup]

First I told you some specific things you need to do in Wine Config.

Did you do all of them?

having things on different partitions etc - )

First you need to be using Wine from one specific Puppy install.

The Puppy full install would be the best, but make sure there is enough free space in the partition for the Window program install.

The windows program you are trying to run needs to be installed to the Wine /C drive that is located in the hidden .wine directory that is located in /root directory.

Just run the programs install and it should put everything there like it would if you where installing in Windows.

What version of Windows is the program designed to run on?

In Wine Config->Applications
You can highlight the program and select from the drop down menu what version of Windows you want Wine to mimic for that program.
Or you can set the default to mimic a version of Windows.

As an aside - is there anyway to clear off all of the partitions and just start fresh? Would just using gparted work for that?

Yes that is what Gparted is for partitioning and formatting.

How you partition and format depends on what you want on the computer and you need to understand how to partition and format.

Example of how to do it if all you want is Puppy on the computer:
To use Gparted:
Boot with the Puppy live CD
At the Puppy boot screen hit F2 key.
Use the boot option: puppy pfix=ram.
This keeps the hard drive from being mounted.
Hard drive can not be mounted for Gparted to work.

If you are only putting Puppy on computer:
Run Gparted.
delete everything on hard drive. Start new.
Make two partitions.
First partition using all of the hard drive unalocated space except for 2 GB and formatted ext3. (flag as boot)
Make a second partition, from the remaining unalocated space, formatted as a Linux swap partition.
Install Puppy to the ext3 partition.

Ways to install Puppy:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60302

[bigpup]

Here is an example of how to find information on a specific Windows program.
Do a search at Winehg.org
https://www.winehq.org/search?q=Sims3

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager. ... &iId=16664

[linuxcbon]

@Marley , burn a cd with precise 5.7.1 so you can use it at anytime. You can try to run wine and the sims from livecd first.

[Mike Walsh]

@Marley:-

Bigpup is absolutely correct, when he says to make sure that you are using the correct packages, compiled for the version of Puppy you are using.

You must remember, there are over 300 different versions of Puppy out there, including a lot of individual re-masters by people who want specific things from their 'Pup'..! And we ALL want different things...


Regards,

Mike.

[Marley]

Hi everyone


bigpup- I tried the config to the best of my abilities (not much of those but still . . .) - after reading what you said though I figured I needed to do a fresh install since there were 2 partitions and the one I was presently trying to get working with wine was frugal while the other was full etc etc -

So I tried a full install on another hard drive I have (clean hard drive - I created a partition on it from 'scratch' after running the live cd for 5.7.1 that I have - which I love just because of my capacity to tinker a bit too much without knowing enough it seems!)

The install seemed to work ok and I installed the package of wine that I read was good with Precise via that thread link - plus a pet for menu entries (great stuff!) -

I tried and seemed to succeed in installing a different windows package. I wanted to start small and I'd used this program before via wine when I was using puppy on my old hard drive before I messed things up. (I can't remember which package of wine I used then unfortunately - I am fairly certain it wasn't as 'high' as 1.7 and I was using a different motherboard/video card - I think - well anyway, that's in the past - )

Weird thing is though - it seemed to load successfully - I got it working first time - then next time I booted I got some message that it was just a 'trial' version of express scribe which I clicked shut and then it shut down!

Other weird thing was I couldn't start it via the terminal because my hard drive (labelled sda1) can't be found. It's there, it's mounted - has a yellow box around it and everything but I can't read it - why is that?

I can go through the icons though (the little house at the top) and click on sda1 and get the files in the c_drive wine created that way - double clicked on scribe and it started - but why doesn't the drive show up in the terminal?

I thought a yellow box meant mounted too not just the asterisks?

In any case, wine seems to work but I can't tell what the error messages would be for that program let alone sims which I've held up on installing because of this weird yellow box mounted drive but you can't read it thing.

Thank you for pointing me to all of those threads - there's a lot to read but one thing I like with linux not just puppy is if you learn it - it's a foundation for something! Unlike windows where even if I figured something out it didn't matter because the next version would change things or not tell me something!

In any case, before continuing with sims - I would like to get a Full install that worked - ie I could read the drive - I am supposed to be able to read the drive, right?

linuxcbon - is that possible? I could easily make a live cd (I don't want to brag but I actually have figured that out haha which is something! - I figure I could run the live cd, install wine then remaster the cd to include wine? Or?

Also how would I run sims? When you play you have to have the cd in the cd drive - could I do that with 2 drives? Or after loading the live cd pop it out and put the other one in?


Mike Walsh - this sort of refers to what you said about all those versions - I have noticed that hehe - I get a bit distracted and even found some that had wine in them (New Years puppy) which I thought was like a 'live cd' but then realized it wasn't because it told me I had to install it before I could pop it out - which I didn't want to do down to all the silly problems I was having on that drive - well . . .I could go on!

I really appreciate all this input - I think if I can get Puppy Precise installed properly so I can read sda1 with the terminal if that's what is supposed to happen - then this wine version could actually work

Thanks again everyone.

PS - i just noticed you can bold and change font size - forgive the over enthusiasm with that on this post! I'm liking the smileys too

[linuxcbon]

linuxcbon - is that possible? I could easily make a live cd (I don't want to brag but I actually have figured that out haha which is something! - I figure I could run the live cd, install wine then remaster the cd to include wine? Or?
Also how would I run sims? When you play you have to have the cd in the cd drive - could I do that with 2 drives? Or after loading the live cd pop it out and put the other one in?

Puppy livecd runs fully in the RAM, so you don't need to have the puppy cd in the cdrom drive after it is loaded. So run the cd, remove it, install wine and then the sims...it should work if enough RAM.
If not enough RAM, do all this from a full disk installation.
Here is a wine pet for precise 5.7.1 http://www.mediafire.com/download/7smgm ... 6_v2.1.pet

[bigpup]

Other weird thing was I couldn't start it via the terminal because my hard drive (labelled sda1) can't be found. It's there, it's mounted - has a yellow box around it and everything but I can't read it - why is that?

If you are booted with the Puppy that is installed on sda1 and it contains Wine.

In the terminal the windows program should start by using wine command and the programs exe file.

The terminal command is:

Code: Select all

wine (the programs exe file)

Example:
To run the internet explorer that comes with Wine

Code: Select all

wine iexplore.exe

When you open a terminal it is already at /root

Code: Select all

ls

Will list the contents of /root

Remember the terminal is a command interface not a file manager.

Here is a reference card with some of the terminal commands.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=46435