Carolina: Vanguard Edition Release 2 December 2014

[p310don]

Ok new issue. Not so much a Carolina issue, but any help would be nice..

This is flash related.

So now that geoffrey has solved my problem with Kompozer (thanks Geoff), I am continuing developing my web page. So I want to create a page with a bunch of links to Youtube videos. If I open more than one Youtube page at a time, the whole system grinds to an almost halt. Firefox fades to grey and everything stops. This machine can handle multiple stuff going on without issue. (AMD Phenom II x555, 8 gig ram etc, nvidia graphics). The only major difference to this and my previous setup on this machine is that I am using the default Nouveau rather than Nvidia proprietary driver.

I have tried it with hardware acceleration turned on and off, neither seems to be much different.

Any help or similar experiences?

[p310don]

Ehhh, I know, that's why I left it up to you Twisted Evil . I had a look anyway though, and something seems to have changed in the VB installation process. Try just running this script Geoffrey. It seems to compile and work cleanly.

I can confirm that the .run script at that link makes a working Virtualbox. Thanks for that

[gcmartin]

Hello @P310Don.

Allthough it is a different distro, I will share, here, what I found using LightHouse/FATDOG when testing KVM with @MikeB.

This is an anomoly, I know, and needs and explanation, but, I observes a strangeness where app performance in the KVM guest exceed the same behavior in the host. Odd, huh? I thought so too. But, never got around to trying to explain why.

My browser pages loaded extremely fast, but, the KVM guest was able to carry out multiple browser and app functions and NOT impacting the host no matter what I did in the guest, including application saturation or opening, say, 30 tabs over 4 Browser windows. The guest would continue speeding along and host system was NOT impacted by the saturation any guest.

It takes about 5 minutes to set up and a single screen to large your favorite PUP as a guest, should you or anyone want to verify my findings.

Again, my experiences was with the 3 64bit PUPs that I tested @MikeB's utility on and wrote about in the guide for users. But, even though this distro is 32bit, it does have the kernel ability to test this rather easily.

Here to help

[Geoffrey]

Ehhh, I know, that's why I left it up to you Twisted Evil . I had a look anyway though, and something seems to have changed in the VB installation process. Try just running this script Geoffrey. It seems to compile and work cleanly.

I can confirm that the .run script at that link makes a working Virtualbox. Thanks for that

Yeah, that works, I can't seem to be able to package it as there is stuff all over the place and it gave no hint's , anyway I'll use the kernel drivers and add them to one of the other Virtualbox sfs files and see if that get it going, I'm assuming it will.

[mmxii]

Running amazingly from a 4GB USB drive.

Hardware acceleration ootb is nice.
Looks incredible and is speedy on my AMD E350 HTPC. It has to have the best GUI and default theme of any OS I've ever seen. Beautiful!

To the guy who couldn't right click and open terminal, no problems here. Everything runs, that I've tried, without a hitch. Couldn't be happier.

One thing I can't figure out though is how to set screen timeout. I don't see pupX set properties of X so I'm a bit confuddled on how to set that.

[Geoffrey]

One thing I can't figure out though is how to set screen timeout. I don't see pupX set properties of X so I'm a bit confuddled on how to set that.

[Geoffrey]

I fired up the hex editor and modified the whisker menu to read Vanguard, just to acknowledge the awesomeness.

[battleshooter]

The only major difference to this and my previous setup on this machine is that I am using the default Nouveau rather than Nvidia proprietary driver.

So there was no issue with the proprietary driver previously in Saluki?

Any help or similar experiences?

Hmm, I'll see if I can jump on a nVidia box to see if it's a common issue. Or maybe someone else could simply try loading multiple Youtube tabs up in Vanguard with the Nouveau drivers and see how that goes.

Again, my experiences was with the 3 64bit PUPs that I tested @MikeB's utility on and wrote about in the guide for users

I've seen that guide. Good write up that one gcmartin.

Yeah, that works, I can't seem to be able to package it as there is stuff all over the place and it gave no hint's

Maybe use Paco? I love that thing. So good for packaging weird installers like waf. But anyway, that's just me gushing. You've already got a solution that makes sense.

Running amazingly from a 4GB USB drive.

Hardware acceleration ootb is nice.
Looks incredible and is speedy on my AMD E350 HTPC. It has to have the best GUI and default theme of any OS I've ever seen. Beautiful!

Yeah! Positive words! Thanks mmxii That's a huge honor conferred considering it crosses not just the bounds Puppy Puplets or Linux Distros, but whole OSs.

I fired up the hex editor and modified the whisker menu to read Vanguard, just to acknowledge the awesomeness.

Hah! That's pretty cool Geoff Gonna add that to the to do list.

[mmxii]

After a few hours with this and across several reboots, specs as follows:

AMD E350
Radeon HD 6310
2 GB DDR3 1333MHz
Running from 4 GB USB Drive

Startup is quick, to the desktop in seconds even on low powered hardware (1.6 GHz dual)
Dead sexy. I mean wow. Everything makes sense in the GUI as well. No real ambiguity anywhere. Everything is logical and makes it very user friendly.
Sound setup is less convoluted than on puppies I've used in the past. Definite marks for that!
Having built in Flash is very nice, no problems to report here with streaming multiple videos and no weird "blue tint". I don't mind fixing that bit but it feels nice not having to fix things out of the box I can appreciate that!
No weird terminal or Flash bugs a few others reported. I haven't seen anything to dampen the experience let alone break it. This is rock solid. I can echo a previous comment, this will become my daily driver go-to OS. Even at R2 this is heads and shoulders above some full releases.

Also thanks to Geoffrey, that sorted me right out

[Marv]

@battleshooter,
Just so your head doesn't shrink too small. It's COSMIC
Continuing to use R2 with no hitches. It's now the fallback pup in the same way that Saluki/Carolina had been for a long long time before hardware and programs outran the libs/kernel/drivers.

Try Luxi-Mono from http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 813#819813 as the terminal font. My old eyes love it. Thanks to Keisha for pointing it out.

[Terry H]

Really nice!!

Just updated by using the delta and all went well. Everything working great on my Dell D620 Laptop 2.16 Core Duo with 2.5 GB RAM Intel 4965 Wifi card.

Just one query, which has no impact on functioning. When I view the files on the iso image or those installed in my laptop the kernel file (vmlinuz) appears as type 'DOS/Windows Executable', whereas all others that I have appear as type 'Unknown'. Just curious.

Edit: Checked the original vline-1.3, it shows type 'Unknown' as all the others do.

[yerc1]

Heh heh. Looking forward to round 2 as well yerc1

Release 2 continues to amaze. It seems snappier than main edition Carolina

Default brightness is a bit high for me. Easily fixed by adding xbacklight command with my preferred brightness level to Autostart.

Need to run modprobe chromeos_laptop after each boot to enable touchpad. Adding the command to Autostart takes care of that too.

More later.

[Marv]

Quick test on another box. This one a Dell Optiplex 745 1.86GHz core 2 duo 1Gb RAM desktop with Broadcom BCM5754 ethernet controller, Radeon/ATI video (X1300/X1500 RV515 chip). Syslinux install to a 1Gb Transcend USB flashdrive. Hauled along the unpruned savefile from the core 2 duo laptop out of sloth. Last connection there was WPA2 wireless using Frisbee.

Normal syslinux boot, came up with correct video resolution (different than the last boot on the savefile!), wired ethernet connected automatically and IP address obtained. USB mouse ok, no sound check..no speakers on it. pfix=copy used so a bit of a slow boot from the stick but snappy once up. MESA reported as Gallium 0.4 on ATI RV515, direct rendering. A number of older pups have choked on this video, don't remember details, but both your R2 and RG66s X-slacko 3b1 handle it nicely.

# dmesg | grep radeon
[ 50.710950] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.
[ 50.711038] fb: switching to radeondrmfb from VESA VGA
[ 50.712996] radeon 0000:01:00.0: VRAM: 256M 0x0000000000000000 - 0x000000000FFFFFFF (128M used)
[ 50.713001] radeon 0000:01:00.0: GTT: 512M 0x0000000010000000 - 0x000000002FFFFFFF
[ 50.714838] [drm] radeon: 128M of VRAM memory ready
[ 50.714840] [drm] radeon: 512M of GTT memory ready.
[ 50.741052] [drm] radeon: 1 quad pipes, 1 z pipes initialized.
[ 50.741123] radeon 0000:01:00.0: WB enabled
[ 50.741129] radeon 0000:01:00.0: fence driver on ring 0 use gpu addr 0x0000000010000000 and cpu addr 0xeec59000
[ 50.741138] radeon 0000:01:00.0: radeon: MSI limited to 32-bit
[ 50.741153] [drm] radeon: irq initialized.
[ 50.752641] [drm] radeon: ring at 0x0000000010001000
[ 50.820462] fbcon: radeondrmfb (fb0) is primary device
[ 50.857127] radeon 0000:01:00.0: fb0: radeondrmfb frame buffer device
[ 50.857130] radeon 0000:01:00.0: registered panic notifier
[ 50.857138] [drm] Initialized radeon 2.40.0 20080528 for 0000:01:00.0 on minor 0

# export vblank_mode=0
# glxgears
ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment.
9693 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1938.535 FPS
9688 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1937.562 FPS
9697 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1939.264 FPS

Just another data point. My last XP machine. Turned on once a year for taxes and sort of supports an old epson printer. I think it's wine'ing for Carolina

[battleshooter]

Everything makes sense in the GUI as well. No real ambiguity anywhere. Everything is logical and makes it very user friendly.

Credit where credit is due, that's thanks to the XFCE crew, original Carolina crew, Geoffrey, elroy, rg66 and Saluki's jemimah. Vanguard's only as good as it is because of all its forefathers. (Foremothers? )

Even at R2 this is heads and shoulders above some full releases.

So it might not be fair to compare it to first generation Puplets. That said, I very much appreciate the sentiment!

Just so your head doesn't shrink too small. It's COSMIC

This made me laugh. Is it Vanguard or the size of my head that's cosmic?

Try Luxi-Mono from http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 813#819813 as the terminal font. My old eyes love it. Thanks to Keisha for pointing it out.

Hmm. Not sure if I love it. Might be because it's something different. Still it's something different I'll keep using it, see if it grows on me. I stare at terminals a lot so change is welcomed, especially if it's easy on the eyes.

Really nice!!

Just updated by using the delta and all went well. Everything working great on my Dell D620 Laptop 2.16 Core Duo with 2.5 GB RAM Intel 4965 Wifi card.

Good to hear! I take it the shutdown issue is resolved?

Just one query, which has no impact on functioning. When I view the files on the iso image or those installed in my laptop the kernel file (vmlinuz) appears as type 'DOS/Windows Executable', whereas all others that I have appear as type 'Unknown'. Just curious.

Edit: Checked the original vline-1.3, it shows type 'Unknown' as all the others do.

That is strange. I would have thought it was the mime changes I made in Release 1 that would cause that, but it only happens in Release 2. I can't think of anything I changed that would affect that, but I'll keep my eyes peeled. I'm curious too.

Touchpad enabled ( more on this later).

More later.

You're keeping me in suspense yerc... what's this mysterious "more later" you keep referring to?

Just another data point.

Thanks Marv, nothing like another success story

[Geoffrey]

Here is an update for the Thunar right-click custom command " Create Symlink", the one that's there is pain to use as you have to chase the resulting link thats named "link to".

This new one gives a GUI so it can be named and be either a relative or absolute link, spaces in names is allowed.

It also needs the "ln" command updated as the version in carolina is old and doesn't have the -r option to create a relative link, so I compiled the latest coretools for that.

Thanks rg66 for the help.

[Terry H]

Good to hear! I take it the shutdown issue is resolved?

Yes, shutdown is now working.

Thanks,
Terry

[battleshooter]

Here is an update for the Thunar right-click custom command " Create Symlink", the one that's there is pain to use as you have to chase the resulting link thats named "link to".

This new one gives a GUI so it can be named and be either a relative or absolute link, spaces in names is allowed.

Yessss! An excellent update! Thank you Geoff (and rg66)!

I second the whole chasing down the "link-to-xxx" pain.

It also needs the "ln" command updated as the version in carolina is old and doesn't have the -r option to create a relative link, so I compiled the latest coretools for that.

Do you still have the coretools you compiled? Might be worthwhile to upgrade the whole coretools package since you've already compiled them.

Good to hear! I take it the shutdown issue is resolved?

Yes, shutdown is now working.

Thanks,
Terry

Sweet.

That's thanks to elroy by the way, just in case you haven't been following this thread closely. Credit where credit is due...

[mikeslr]

Hi battleshooter & All,

What do I do with a new toy? Keep trying things until it breaks.

I'm currently exploring Vanguard Release 2's compatibility with other applications built for Carolina and other Xfce Pups.

For those who are interested: rg66's Thunar-1.6.2 with tabs, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 692#685692 works. Requires a reboot. See attached photo. I'm not certain why Thunar 1.6.3 would not install.

Also working is the Avidemux.SFS from this link, http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 636#773636. It can, without conflict or breaking anything, be loaded and run simultaneously with flowblade-0.16 and the openshot 1.4.2.sfs battleshooter built for Carolina.
Also working is gimp-2.7.2.sfs and the following pets from the repo: Xvidcap, and Artha with Wordnet.
Following the instructions given in prior posts, I've also added Geoffrey's createsym pet, Whisker Menu and changed the terminal and geany fonts to Luxi-Mono. Thanks Geoffrey, Marv and Keisha.

Edit: Just added Chromium 39 pet. Not sure who built it.
Edit: Discussion of "my" Save-session.pet & attachment deleted. Discovered that analogous application is built into Vanguard.

Edit: Just notice PupSaveConfig can be set to "Never". Nice feature. Was never sure which choice at shutdown --"Save - No Save" was the default.

I noticed on Vanguard's Multimedia sub-menu the inclusion of QWinff. My understanding is that application depends on Qt, suggesting that Vanguard already contains --at least in part-- that structure. I'm interested in trying out some of the other fine qt-dependent pets rg66 and Geoffrey built. Is there anything I should know, or avoid?

I'll have to install Vanguard R2 to a USB-Key and see if it will work on my wife's PITA Toshiba Satellite Laptop.

[Geoffrey]

Do you still have the coretools you compiled? Might be worthwhile to upgrade the whole coretools package since you've already compiled them.

You will have to be choosy with what can be replaced from them all, a lot aren't needed and a majority of the existing commands are symlinked to busybox. > coreutils-8.23.tar.gz

Warning if anyone else uses these tools you do so at your own peril

[p310don]

NOTE:

re my problem with flash earlier in this thread...

I also had problems running games under WINE. Red Alert 2, very old game low requirements, ran like a dog. I changed to the Nvidia driver instead of the default Nouveau, now everything runs super smooth.

Flash works better, WINE works better, Paul works less..