Fatdog64-700 beta1

[LateAdopter]

I don't think that a single page flip during the line blanking interval constitutes tearing. It's how the scaler chip in a fixed frequency monitor accommodates the fact that its 60Hz and the source 60Hz are slightly different.

I think tearing is when the driver attempts to page flip during the vertical blanking interval, but fails, producing some lines of garbage on screen.

[Bindee]

If it only happened once then he wouldn't have noticed jiggle so it's happening over and over again.

If you have perfect vblank such as windows produces with lav filters then it doesn't even happen once.

Differences in the 60Hz tends to cause lag and pixel trail not broken vertical lines.

[jamesbond]

@Bindee & @Yoni - please guys, stop calling names and drop the p0rn reference. It is not funny.

Billtoo kindly did the test because *you asked him to* - and he gave the result according to what he saw. He already stated that he didn't find any problem, but if you don't believe him then you're free to do your own tests.

There are a lot of factors to consider: firstly, tearing experience is subjective - some people are very sensitive and can see even a minor tearing, some don't (similar reason that certain people can see CRT or neon-tube flickers, but some don't); secondly as you yourself said, people can get so used to tearing that they no longer be bothered by it. Thirdly his hardware isn't your hardware either. And lastly, just because there is tearing when you capture a screenshot, does not mean that tearing is visible when you watch it (and the other way around).

If you don't like his report then don't ask him to test for you next time, instead of calling him names.

[kirk]

I'll commit one more time about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xkNy9gfKOg, there is no tearing. I know what tearing is. The bars scrolling motion is not smooth, which is probably what Bill is seeing as well. The screen shots don't really work for this and Ipads don't have flash, so it would be html5 video (vp8 or h264) at 360p. Maybe if hardware decoding was enabled it would be smoother, but I can tell you that if you do that, Flash player will crash sometimes. Watching Blurays I don't see a problem. As Bill suggested it's best to see it for yourself if you have a store that will let you boot from CD. And to echo what James said, lets keep it civil.

[JustGreg]

I have been using the python interpreter to learn how to use python. I am very interested in the various graphical user interface (GUI) additions.

I found that fatdog64 700b1 devx sfs includes python with at least two GUI additions.

The first is Tkinter. However when I try to run/access it, I get the following error message:

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>>> import Tkinter
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 39, in <module>
    import _tkinter # If this fails your Python may not be configured for Tk
ImportError: No module named _tkinter

I did research the error message and it appears the connection to tkinter was not included when python interpreter was compiled.

The other one is pygtk2. I am happy to report it works fine. I do not feel the lack Tkinter is a bug, but only a minor inconvenience. This post is to note the possible problem. I suspect that pygtk2 will do everything needed. Now off, to see what I can learn.

[Wilbert]

@Bindee & @Yoni - please guys, stop calling names and drop the p0rn reference. It is not funny.

Billtoo kindly did the test because *you asked him to* -

Complete Bullshit

Bindee never asked Billtoo to do some deep complex scientific test he/she just asked if there was tearing with the most basic video clip imaginable with one click of the mouse and Bilttoo was kind enough to give a moronic idiotic oxymoron of an answer that it was smooth with jiggle.

* is your wood smooth *

* yes it is smooth and rough *

And Yoni never called Billtoo any names he/she just gave their opinion on the screen shots , so stop making things up just to stir things.

What you imagine and what was actually said are two different things.

So yes lets keep this civil without the stirring and the lying.

[Bindee]

@ jamesBond

And i've been kind enough to give you and kirk then pipeline fix that neither of you could resolve with the nvidia tearing problem plus the time taken to inform you of security fixes without any gratitude.

So with your pissy attitude and false accusations of name calling don't expect any help in the future.

[Pavan]

I'll commit one more time about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xkNy9gfKOg, there is no tearing. I know what tearing is. The bars scrolling motion is not smooth, which is probably what Bill is seeing as well. The screen shots don't really work for this and Ipads don't have flash, so it would be html5 video (vp8 or h264) at 360p. Maybe if hardware decoding was enabled it would be smoother, but I can tell you that if you do that, Flash player will crash sometimes. Watching Blurays I don't see a problem. As Bill suggested it's best to see it for yourself if you have a store that will let you boot from CD. And to echo what James said, lets keep it civil.

Errrrrrrrr , NO

Intel-Core-i5-3470T / Intel® HD Graphics 2500

Running Windows 8 with windows Intel drivers it is as smooth as glass without any tearing with perfect rock solid Vblank.

Running fatdog 631 & 700 intel drivers it's no longer smooth with intermittent judders like the bars are skipping.

Not going to get involved with the bickering but as pointed out people have just got used to inferior playback but that doesn't make it correct or subjective.

[Q5sys]

sigh...

this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things.jpg

[Ted Dog]

Well my solution for a slow CPU laptop only use a striped down version of windows8 for video playback, it came with machine. If it works well and the company crippled it for linux then not much we can do about it. fighting and complaining to the developers and distro leading supporters does not solve issues.
Likewise research other distros for better video playback. There is one to make a media server but the name escapes me now but it generally had the best support. If you find a better version then point it out.
What we have learned from other distros have already made playback nearly flawless for one high powered machine and do not expect much can be done for the other underpowered laptop I use Fatdog64 630 on, but win8 came with that one so its used just for that. Win8 has issues with full HD 1080 videos but plays well enough for majority out there.
Hate that win8 popups warnings all the time since it has not be on the internet to update since 2013.

[James C]

A short video just for the assclowns...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_LIR5ExIU

Have a nice day.

[Ted Dog]

@ jamesBond

And i've been kind enough to give you and kirk then pipeline fix that neither of you could resolve with the nvidia tearing problem plus the time taken to inform you of security fixes without any gratitude.

So with your pissy attitude and false accusations of name calling don't expect any help in the future.

Well could you stick around to help improve Fatdog64 for the rest of us, You have found solutions to problems I share. JB and Kirk has added those improvements in the past. The Prawn reference was problem, not all people on internet partake in that and its highly insulting to be accused even jokingly.

James C not helping I have seen gifs of that and you have no problem reading his lips..

[jamesbond]

@Q5sys -

I still get the 'Loading nouveau module early' line

You'll get this line if you have nvidia card but if you have already blacklisted it, nouveau shouldn't load.

Couple other things that stood out to me. In the install tool, anyway you can put the drive size or something next to the device nam

I thought I already put the drive label there?

For some reason on my board I have to wait a super long time to get my ethernet to connect after boot, it takes like 2 minutes

Network-setup supports multiple nics in theory, but I haven't really tested it yet.

@step

If it says that the contrib source is unavailable choose to disable it and continue.

This error was caused because the contrib repo was empty. It's not empty any longer so it should work now.

@Q5sys

Just noticed that if I load a SFS file, the menu entries are added into the fatdog menu. If you unload the SFS file... they arent removed.

Can't reproduce over here.

vlc-plugin md5sum error

Fixed.

@eowen2

The process uses the command "dkms"

"dkms" is Debian Kernel Management System, it isn't in Fatdog and probablywill never be. For Fatdog, follow this guide: http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/fa ... odule.html.

@JustGreg

I did know about making sure the ownership/group of the directory was spot. I found the suggested value of 660 did not work. The lowest value was 760,

My bad, it should have been 700 or 770.

@WillM -

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~ $ ls -ld /
drwxrwxr-x 64 root users 4096 Sep 29 16:13 /

Spot is in the users group, Firefox runs as user Spot. I was thinking that Firefox could write to /.
Checking a couple of other Puppies, their permissions are rwxrwxrwx, except DebianDog which is rwxr-xr-x.
On this computer I added

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chmod 755 /

to /etc/rc.d/rc.local

The permission of "/" is set at boot time and is fixed at 0775. (that is, rwxrwxr-x). There is currently no way of modifying this short of editing initrd. Even if you change it, it may return back to 775 at next boot (it was originally 750 but it caused many traditional linux failed to boot).
EDIT: In next release this will be configurable via boot command line.

@JustGreg

The first is Tkinter. However when I try to run/access it, I get the following error message

Yes, you are right. Tkinter isn't built in, as it depends on Tcl/Tk, and python was built before Tcl/Tk was built. If you need it you'll have to rebuild python.

@Billtoo, thank you for all your testing.

@Ted Dog and @James C - greets

[Abdulrahman]

The bars scrolling motion is not smooth

Well doesn't that tell you that there is a problem that needs fixing then if it can't even play a basic low bandwidth b&w video smoothly and correctly ???

I've got an old Acer revo atom running windows XP that takes for ever to boot that can play that clip buttery smooth with perfect scrolling motion.

It's crazy having a linux desktop and then like TedDog we have to swap back to a crap windows box just to get correct HD playback.

Sadly i suppose for those that don't know any difference then ignorance is bliss , But it's like a downgrade from High Definition to Standard Definition.

Though maybe i shouldn't be surprised with what people put up with considering the amount of people that drive around with distorted car audio systems just for the sake of volume...

[Wilbert]

A short video just for the assclowns...

Calling people names just too brown nose and suck up is both cringe-worthy and embarrassing.

[Abdulrahman]

A short video just for the assclowns...

Calling people names just too brown nose and suck up is both cringe-worthy and embarrassing.

I must admit i thought the exact same thing and it made me feel all icky.

Bindee & Yoni get falsely accused of calling people names when they haven't actually called anyone anything yet James C actually calls people names and nothing is said.

Dishonest double standards.

[jamesbond]

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[stemsee]

Dishonest double standards.

That is an abrupt and rather selective conclusion to reach....with a little thinking I am sure you could enlarge on that and include other possible conclusions.

such as 'overlooked due to historic evidence', 'not as severe as to warrant reprimand', 'lack of poison in the sentiment' etc you get the idea!!

One ommission does not alter a persons overall good character to suit the designated label an unknown entity ascribes!

[James C]

A short video just for the assclowns...

Calling people names just too brown nose and suck up is both cringe-worthy and embarrassing.

Since my post did not name any one particular individual ,exactly who did I call names?

Do you claim to know my intentions? I think not.

And if you think I try to "brown nose and suck up" you really,really have zero clue about me.

[James C]

A short video just for the assclowns...

Calling people names just too brown nose and suck up is both cringe-worthy and embarrassing.

I must admit i thought the exact same thing and it made me feel all icky.

Bindee & Yoni get falsely accused of calling people names when they haven't actually called anyone anything yet James C actually calls people names and nothing is said.

Dishonest double standards.

Same reply.

Since my post did not name any one particular individual ,exactly who did I call names?

Do you claim to know my intentions? I think not.

Please point out,by name, who I intended to insult by calling them names.
We'll be waiting for your exhaustive list.

Time to get back to the point of this thread, discussion of Fatdog .