Same old same old

[puppyiso]

To be innovative doesn't necessarily mean to go forward.

It could mean backward, meaning taking care of old problems.

AristX, Austrumi and many other hide all unnecessary icons from the screen yet have many functions located in a real estically convenient places.

On the other hand, Puppy shows too many icons on the screen.

Do we need all of them? I spend time to remove them but they reappear like ghost every time I add a new sfs.

Some icons insist the original name no matter how I change them.

waste bin is "휴지통"in Korean but it comes back to "쓰레기"meaning garbage.

When I posted Korean version names, Shinobar, who is Japanese, read them wrong and some names are not quite right and they stay same ever since.

Also icons are not perfectly aligned. MU told me he has a script to fix the problem but I lost it long ago.

Icons are also unable to resize by simple means. I was told I have to "hack" the system. It is so easy with Windows. Why not Puppy?

These are problems with icons in Puppy. I have alot more problems but I will stop now otherwise some one will definately tell me to find other distros.

Booting?.. well I should I should stop.

We should look back what we have experienced to be innovative.

Keeping old problems and seeking new innovations outside seems unwise "to me".

Snowpup has a very sophisiticated logou menu. Why not start menu?

Just skip all time consuming checking at booting and do it after boot when needed. Why do we have saved setting and recheck it when boot?

If there is a change, we can refresh the setting any time AFTER boot.
Barry originally didi so with drives. Now it is auto drive mounting.
Why not ask if automount option is needed when save the setting?
I like puppy because it is configurable but not configurable enough.

That's where innovation should come in.

Why are people laughing at my my simple app version of Puppy idea when there are Gimp only Puppy and game oriented Puppy and server oriented Puppy?

Does it have to be general purpose only? Why not specific, simple purpose?

Can Puppy or any other linux actually win the battle against dying dinosaur Windows in general purpose market?

Being simple is stupid? Making life busy and hectic is happy?

Does single action better than double action? Are you a great fan of "a fistful of dollars"? Why not the simple easy full auto.?

Just aim and pull the trigger. Just turn it on and click on the icon.

Let's make our lives simple and easy. Extra time should be spend watching kids grow, taking a walk in the park, drinking wine with old friends whom we might see for the last time in our lives.

I will stop now. Hope I will have ability to make a puppy of my own in my next life.

[Volhout]

For me, innovation would be:
A Puppy that is actually a complete OS out the box that doesnt demand you download the other half of the OS from the internet as soon as you set it up.

+1 here
The remark I got on the 528 forum asking the same question: "install everything you need and remaster". I may do that on 528.

Did you look at the demo video on Windows 8 (they quickstart a very light environment, (seems only a browser) where you select your "mode". i.e. games, web, desktop(work), phone. Note: it is a tablet/mobile phone os. And all functions on the os are apps. Web or local. I haven't got the inside knowledge if this is far from the architecture of current linux'es, but it is a bit like jolicloud, but differently structured.

Volhout

P.S. I agree with much that is said here, but I have to bring forward 1 serious PRO for the lupu series. THEY SIMPLY WORK. I have played with soo many puppy versions and derivatives that I can's even recall how many (started with 301). The 525/528 version is good, and it runs 5 PC's in my house and business. And it simply supports everything I need it to do reliably. Many of the other derivatives are simply not stable enough to do that -or- they are loaded with bugs -or- they are not maintained/sustained...simply left there to die (*). They are developpers toys. What do I care whether under the hood it is Ubuntu or Slackware ??? Lupu 5 series is different. Only 431 and Wary 5141 come close in reliability.

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http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72853

[sickgut]

For me, innovation would be:
A Puppy that is actually a complete OS out the box that doesnt demand you download the other half of the OS from the internet as soon as you set it up.

+1 here
The remark I got on the 528 forum asking the same question: "install everything you need and remaster". I may do that on 528.

Did you look at the demo video on Windows 8 (they quickstart a very light environment, (seems only a browser) where you select your "mode". i.e. games, web, desktop(work), phone. Note: it is a tablet/mobile phone os. And all functions on the os are apps. Web or local. I haven't got the inside knowledge if this is far from the architecture of current linux'es, but it is a bit like jolicloud, but differently structured.

Volhout

P.S. I agree with much that is said here, but I have to bring forward 1 serious PRO for the lupu series. THEY SIMPLY WORK. I have played with soo many puppy versions and derivatives that I can's even recall how many (started with 301). The 525/528 version is good, and it runs 5 PC's in my house and business. And it simply supports everything I need it to do reliably. Many of the other derivatives are simply not stable enough to do that -or- they are loaded with bugs -or- they are not maintained/sustained...simply left there to die (*). They are developpers toys. What do I care whether under the hood it is Ubuntu or Slackware ??? Lupu 5 series is different. Only 431 and Wary 5141 come close in reliability.

(*)
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72853

i think if there was only a new puppy every year or 2 years or one official puppy that was completely supported for a few years so the repo of software available for it would build up to quite a formidable amount... and o ther releases are developmental releases for devs only that the average user wouldnt need to worry about, this way puppy would still get worked on and develop but the currently supported one would be completely awesome because of the amount of bug fixes and software available for it. And only release a new mainstream supported puppy when there is something so great and so much better than the old one that it needs an upgrade, and this cannot be upgraded with a service pack.

it seems every few month a new mainstream puppy is released with only minimal changes and a new wall paper, and the old repos no longer work because of new changes and its released without a decent repo of software for it... and the previous version is simply dropped. ,<---- i would expect this kind of release cycle from an OS still in beta stages but Puppy has been in official release stages for years. Seems every new release means that most of the community spends most their time trying to make packages work for it.

i agree that is doesnt matter what puppy is based on, using lupu or what ever doesnt matter, it was the fact that its advertised with the ability to install ubuntu packages... this may be the case but they dont work much... would have been better not to have confused everyone with the whole puppy is now ubuntu thing.

even considering what ive said here puppy is still the most accessible desktop linux that i recommend to people and its good, really good.... but it could be GREAT... you see really good is fine... but really GREAT would be awesome.

[darkcity]

is any bug management system used for the Puppies?

[Lobster]

Bug management system?

Not yet. They are tried (honest)
they are set up quite often . . . and then . . .
not really used . . .

As for innovation:

PARM will bring innovation
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PARM
Iguleder is constantly pushing new ideas
The apt get system in Pussy is innovation
Puppy phone is something special
Puppy is on 64bit
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/fatdog

Pemasu manages to polish and buff a variety of new efforts
that are popular

Dpup (Puppy + Debian) is designated as Puppy 6, currently being developed by Dejan555 and Iguleder
Saluki Puppy rewrite is likely to move up to Puppy 7
Puppy 8 is likely to offer x86, ARM and 64 bit versions and have support for tablet, phone, touch, cloud and Android features

Of course such ideas require a lot of work
On the wiki
in testing and reporting back
in compiling
in writing documentation and translating
in supporting on IRC and potentially on Puppy phone
forum moderation
artwork design
and so on . . .

So all help is welcome

[puppyiso]

Well, as usual, no one cares about what I said about the icon issue.


-------- well, well............


I just read about 1.5sec boot Asus notebook. Even super cars take 3.5 sec to 100mph.

Start your engine, Gentlemen. Puppyfolks. We need innovation on the booting speed. Even chromebook claims 8 sec to boot.

And re-read about bluestack. Puppy project can raise alot of money by doing the same thing ; Android on Puppy.(The team attracted some 8 million dollars(Yeah " fistful of dollars or fist FULL of dollars")

Downloaded bluestack but that's for win 7 and up. Not for XP.

Android apps are like repositories. Just fancy names.

Emulation without porting could be innovative.

[stu90]

I wouldn't class the lack of absolutely massive icons an issue - it is a feature the majority of people simple don't need or want - however i believe you have been offered advice on how to amend rox-filer do display massively oversized icons - there are also various docs such as wbar and piedock that can display large icons.

And how long does it take to boot these super quick OS's ( if its even possible ) outside of their target hardware?

[sickgut]

hey puppyiso

you should start a distro, it doesnt have to be some big professional project and you dont even have to start from scratch, you could remaster a puppy that has everything you want in it, then slowly but surely and gradually work out the interface problems, then you can show people how you would like things to be and look and maybe it might get a following and people will help you change stuff to how you want.

you seem passionate enough and you have set in your mind exactly what you want, that is called vision... you are a passionate visionary that likes puppy linux but has identified some problems... thats the first step in problem solving..

maybe an intelligent, passionate, problem solving visionary like yourself can get your point across in a practical way....

you may choose to stick with puppy, if you do you will probably have to compile lots and lots, or you can choose the easier method and just deal with binaries and use a slimmed down debian live or some other distro that has a large maintained repo. These large distros have very large and supportive communities and there is always someone to talk you through the technical stuff. dont start with a huge bloated thing like ubuntu or debian as a full desktop OS, start with their base ISO with no apps and then add exactly what you want. If you need help with art work then delegate, you need help slimming the OS down, then ask for help... start a forum.... explain your plan for the OS, and like minded people will be attracted to your project... and once the ball start rolling the OS basicly builds itself as people will contribute fixes and scripts etc .....

and it doesnt matter what OS you start with, if you can manage to make it into something you feel should be the future of Puppy then maybe Puppy devs will look at it and go "Ahh.... we can do that with Puppy...." or something.....

if you dont want to get so involved with all this maybe you can just draw on paper what you think a desktop should look like and upload it somewhere?

if you keep shouting, someone will eventually take notice.....
so shout loud young grasshopper..... shout loud.

[ragaman]

I agree with some of TS's comments. However, I found my ideal Puppy UI by removing most (well, all) of the desktop icons, then install Launchy-one of the most unobtrusive, light and intuitive launchers I was able to run on Puppy.

[sickgut]

I agree with some of TS's comments. However, I found my ideal Puppy UI by removing most (well, all) of the desktop icons, then install Launchy-one of the most unobtrusive, light and intuitive launchers I was able to run on Puppy.

i dont usually even use icons or menus, seems quicker for me to click on a terminal and type the name of the app i want and it loads

[Béèm]

About the crowd of desktop icons, I use pemasu's Exprimo.
There are only 6 icons.
The trays are hidden and appear when touching the edges.

The complete desktop space is available, which is great on my small 14" screen.
Enlightenment is used.

And above that very easily configurable.

[Bert]

Puppyiso, also please check out "Desksetup" in the menu under Desktop>Desktop Settings. It allows complete customization. Seems like 01Micko has written it especially for you..

[puppyiso]

Thank you all for the suggestions.

But

About the crowd of desktop icons, I use pemasu's Exprimo.
There are only 6 icons.
The trays are hidden and appear when touching the edges.

Experimo has more than 6 according to the screenshot.

[pemasu]

Beem wrote.

Enlightenment is used.

Those screenshots are from jwm. I am in fact going to reduce those icons in e17 to 5, e17 filemanager will be taken out soon. I more or less just wanted to present it than it is overall very useful.

[James C]

With a couple of clicks in Slacko you get 5 icons. I added the Opera icon and Conky.

[James C]

Exprimo 5.X.9 running Enlightenment......

[puppyiso]

Hi, guys.
I tried and found out I get 6 icons by using pupcontrol.(in jwm, too)

So I did try posting thanks but I couldn't upload my post up until just now.

Yes. it is very good thing.