Lighthouse Pup 5.00 G 185M

[tazoc]

Hi CLAM01,
Maybe the Xorg Xkb settings aren't taking because the Xorg Autosetup (xorgwizard option 1) doesn't generate a full xorg.conf, just enough to keep the xwin script happy. So either run xorgwizard, option 2 then probe or choose 'intel', or maybe copy your xorg.conf over from your Puppy 4.3.1 setup.

If that doesn't help please run the Video Reporting Tool in the System Menu and attach /tmp/root/report-video-full.gz to a post. You can attach any small file by renaming it with a .zip extension with a note as such, or by running gzip <filename>.
Thanks,
TazOC

Edit: Does the CPU Freq Scaling Tool cool your CPU?

[Béèm]

Hi Béèm,

Hi tazoc

The cpu frequency scaling tool is in the Utility Menu. In IceWM you have to scroll up with your mouse pointer as it may not show all the entries (move the cursor all the way up.) If it's not there, choose Menu | Window Manager | Refresh Menus. Still isn't there? Open /applications in ROX and click on cpu_freq.desktop.

I hadn't noticed the menu was so big and that it was scrollable. A little arrow at the top and bottom of the menu would help.
I activated Cpu Freq Scaling by copying one from another puppy, but now I know I can change the values from the menu as well.
BTW after CFS was activated, I had the cpu freq value in the system tray also.
So that is sorted as well.

To fix the drive icon size info, choose Menu | Desktop Settings | Desktop Drive Icons manager and tick 'Re-align existing icons'. Then restart X.

That didn't help

If that doesn't help, delete the files keymap, codepage and fontmap, all in /etc. Delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Then in /etc/profile change LANG=be to LANG=en_US. Then reboot and press Enter when prompted for country/region/language. Xorgwizard will run again. Back at the desktop, repeat the step in the previous paragraph to re-draw the icons and restart X. Then reset your keyboard and locale to 'be' with Menu | Setup | Mouse/Keyb wizard | Choose Keyboard Layout and FR_be with Menu | Desktop | Chooselocale.

When I came at the point that Xorgwizard should I only got the selection panel for the keyboard. I then got to the Desktop and continued the advice with the selection of be as keyboard and be also in the layout.
As reported before I had done this already and indeed in linux I got the accented characters. But the showstopper which remains is that in Wine I don't have the accented characters like é§èçà. When pushing one of those, the cursor doesn't advance even. In all other puppies, I can select be-latin1 and all is ok even in wine. Hopefully you find why this is so and a solution for the next Lighthouse 5.00

Sometimes the CPU graph in IceWM doesn't show the CPU Freq so use Menu | Desktop Settings | Conky and it will show the CPU Freq in the middle of the second line. I will continue working on the next release which hopefully will avoid all these workarounds for be_latin1.

After setting the CPU freq scaling I have the CPU freq in the system tray as stated above already.

-TazOC

Bernard

[Béèm]

When I installed Lighthouse, I had to choose a 128MB save file.
Now the system tray says it's 124MB. Where could the 4MB be?
I use LH now some week, but didn't install packages.
I only added 3 sfs files, OOo, Pidgin 2.6.1, and virtual box.
When I looked this afternoon, the free space was already down to 12MB.
I left the PC running and when I came back, another 4MB was gone.
Leaving me with 8MB.

I tried to look where all those MB's could have been gone to, but didn't find it.
Someone has an idea?

[tazoc]

Hi Bernard,
I'm working on a context menu for freememapplet_tray for that very reason. The pupsave can fill up very quickly! I usually start with a 256M pupsave and end up enlarging it to around 448M. If you chose a .3fs format, there is some overhead for the journal and file system so not all of the pupsave is available. You can close all your apps and restart X. That will clear away some temporary files.

The quickest way to see where the space went in a frugal install is to open GdMap Graphical Disk Usage in the Utility or File System menu and then open /initrd/pup_rw. Then just hover your mouse pointer over the biggest items and read the file names and sizes.

Xorgwizard in LHP installs some Mesa GL libraries that use about 3.6M. Wine gobbles up ~40M the first time it's used and browsers like SeaMonkey have security features that use a lot of space just by having the browser open a while. Rebooting will clear the cache and most of those temporary files. Otherwise just add free space with Resize personal storage file in the System Menu.

See also /usr/share/doc/freememapplet.htm. I'm updating that page as well.
TazOC

[CLAM01]

Hi TazOC,
I've been looking in logs and /etc/X11/xorg.conf files in both Lighthouse and puppy 431, hoping to find why kbd language settings persist in P but not LHP. The settings are there in xorg.conf in both and the Xorg logs of both list all the same being loaded in the same places. I did find that the two extra files in /tmp are for the Xorg keyboard settings gui. By short-cutting, going from llooknfeel just to the keyboard-layouts-variants gui and clicking "yes, activate" and exiting, the settings activate and the two files don't appear. The few clicks are easy to do, so the settings not persisting through X-restarts is not a problem, just a quirk, one of those little glitches that has to be some detail, a set not setting or being reset by something following.
The cpu fan not being started by acpi is common to both P431 and lighthouse. I checked for frequency scaling. It is on and seems to be working. Acpi recognizes eight throttling settings for the cpu cores and a cooling fan for each, and their state, on or off. When I restart it recognizes the cooling fan on. Frequency scaling offers two sets, 1.2 and 2. ghz. It advances frequency to 2. when the cpu loads seriously. Opera trying to add some kind of auto-update feature went loopy and tested this, loading the cpu cores to 100% on both at 2. ghz. Cpu temp went from 35C to 58C, but steadied there [I really like having the monitoring aplet in the tray--it's much better than the keyboard getting hot detection method]. airflow didn't feel faster, but 58C is well below the bios failsafe threshold, 84C, when it kicks the fan on full.

[Béèm]

Hi Bernard,
I'm working on a context menu for freememapplet_tray for that very reason. The pupsave can fill up very quickly! I usually start with a 256M pupsave and end up enlarging it to around 448M. If you chose a .3fs format, there is some overhead for the journal and file system so not all of the pupsave is available. You can close all your apps and restart X. That will clear away some temporary files.

That's what I found out also. I must say, I have the same issue with other puppies like quirky, lucid etc... and still have not found a good method to find out where the space is lost after ever so many boots.

The quickest way to see where the space went in a frugal install is to open GdMap Graphical Disk Usage in the Utility or File System menu and then open /initrd/pup_rw. Then just hover your mouse pointer over the biggest items and read the file names and sizes.

Yes I know about that method, but was never successful to pinpoint to the issue. It is not necessarily one big file causing the issue, but maybe also a multitude of smaller files.
I tried to find the issue of loosing space through pfind with a date restriction, but I couldn't come to a good conclusion either.

Xorgwizard in LHP installs some Mesa GL libraries that use about 3.6M. Wine gobbles up ~40M the first time it's used and browsers like SeaMonkey have security features that use a lot of space just by having the browser open a while. Rebooting will clear the cache and most of those temporary files. Otherwise just add free space with Resize personal storage file in the System Menu.

So the GL lib, Wine first run, overhead for 3fs could count for 48MB from the defined 128MB, but the process of decreasing available space goes on and on and even when not using the PC.

I know I can increase the save space, but I am afraid to do so too often until I have a huge one.

I already did put the .mozilla out of the save file in order not to be plagued by those SeaMonkey features that eat up space.
In fact I install all programs outside the save file or I use sfs versions.

See also /usr/share/doc/freememapplet.htm. I'm updating that page as well.
TazOC

OK I'll look there also.
Bernard

[tasmod]

My fault

Forgot size issues with LHP.

I finally got a straightforward boot and shutdown, which offered a save option.
But it wouldn't create a save file

Finally I realised my partition was nearly full after I had d/loaded everything.

I removed other items and I could then create a save file.

I'm posting from Firefox in 5 now with xfce . As nice as kde, impressed.

[ICPUG]

Tasmod

How did you get your Intel graphics working?

[tazoc]

Hi Béèm,
I think I've got be-latin1 working right for the next release, at least in Linux. I edited several files; rc.country, input-wizard, .xinitrc, xorgwizard, /lib/keymaps, etc. Some keyboard layouts can now be changed without restarting X. I think pl (Poland) and maybe other layouts are working better also.

Wine still isn't right though. Alt keys don't register with be-latin1. I'll keep working on it. I noticed that the drive icon sizes register 0 in the latest Quirky when starting with be-latin1, so apparently that's not unique to Lighthouse.

It seems some of the layouts need the Alt key to produce many non-US characters. Is that because my keyboard is US or is that true for native keyboards as well?

йцукенгшщзхъфывапролдж

[tasmod]

ICPUG,

Sorry I didn't. I'm running vesa.

[Béèm]

Hi Béèm,
I think I've got be-latin1 working right for the next release, at least in Linux. I edited several files; rc.country, input-wizard, .xinitrc, xorgwizard, /lib/keymaps, etc. Some keyboard layouts can now be changed without restarting X. I think pl (Poland) and maybe other layouts are working better also.

OK, that'll be nice.

Wine still isn't right though. Alt keys don't register with be-latin1. I'll keep working on it.

Hope you'll find a solution.

I noticed that the drive icon sizes register 0 in the latest Quirky when starting with be-latin1, so apparently that's not unique to Lighthouse.

I am sorry. I forgot to mention this. It is the same for Lucid. I raised this many times but neither Barry nor Playdayz gave a solution. But thanks to your explication and circumvention, the size is mentioned now.

It seems some of the layouts need the Alt key to produce many non-US characters. Is that because my keyboard is US or is that true for native keyboards as well?

My Belgian keyboard has keys like ^ and ", which are called dead-keys as another key has to be pressed right after to get f.e. ö ô ë ê etc.. Besides this the right ALT key is called AltGr and when pushed together with another key gives a special character as well. example @ is obtained by pushing that AltGr key and the 2-é key together.

йцукенгшщзхъфывапролдж

[tazoc]

Lighthouse Pup 5.00 B (Build 485) Base ISO released

* Several bugfixes and updates

* New Wine e-Sword 9.6.0 Bible Study downloader and installer, based on a script by david_kt and adapted for Lighthouse.

Lighthouse Mariner ISO 5.00 B - release notes

* Includes Mariner, Xfce, OpenOffice, Opera and VirtualBox SFS add-ons.

* Minor updates to Xfce 4.6.1d and Mariner 5B_485

* VirtualBox updated to 3.2.4

Google-Chrome-stable_5.0 SFS - Fast browser with themes and add-ons
-TazOC

[jduffy22335]

Lighthouse Mariner ISO 5.00 B - release notes

* Includes Mariner, Xfce, OpenOffice, Opera and VirtualBox SFS add-ons.

* Minor updates to Xfce 4.6.1d and Mariner 5B_485

* VirtualBox updated to 3.2.4

Google-Chrome-stable_5.0 SFS - Fast browser with themes and add-ons
-TazOC

Sorry to report, that the xdelta link for Mariner is the same as the base (7 meg).

[Jim1911]

Hi tazoc

You've been busy. Downloading now. Where is this feature?

* New Wine e-Sword 9.6.0 Bible Study downloader and installer, based on a script by david_kt and adapted for Lighthouse.

Thanks,
Jim

[tazoc]

Sorry to report, that the xdelta link for Mariner is the same as the base (7 meg).

You're right, thank you for catching that. Should be fixed now.

I'd like to note that the LiveCD has some new kernel parameters xforcevesa nomodeset that should also be added to an existing GRUB or USB Flash install. I updated the release notes with the details and my new GRUB entry.

Hi tazoc

You've been busy. Downloading now. Where is this feature?

It's in the Personal or Education Menu | Wine e-Sword Installer, also there's a link in /root/.wine/drive_c/ and the new scripts and files are in /usr/local/Wine-e-sword/.
-TazOC

[Jim1911]

Hi tazoc
You've been busy. Downloading now. Where is this feature?

It's in the Personal or Education Menu | Wine e-Sword Installer, also there's a link in /root/.wine/drive_c/ and the new scripts and files are in /usr/local/Wine-e-sword/.
-TazOC

Great, thank you! I posted a link on the howto thread.

Cheers,
Jim

[jduffy22335]

Sorry to report, that the xdelta link for Mariner is the same as the base (7 meg).

You're right, thank you for catching that. Should be fixed now-TazOC

Yes it is Thanks !

[tazoc]

Great, thank you! I posted a link on the howto thread.

You're welcome, Jim. I hope it works well--the d/l and install script is fairly complex and it took several modifications for Lighthouse before it would work consistently; and then I fixed a couple of bugs in my changes yesterday!

Thank you for noting it on your How To thread.
-TazOC

[Jim1911]

Hi tazoc,

Lighthouse Pup 5.00 B works great on my hardware except that the automatic probe function gives me a black screen as before. Therefore, I must include nomodeset (as you suggested for 5.00 A) on my menu.lst kernel line and then use Choose to select the correct driver. Xsane worked after I installed the attached .pet. Now everything checked works fine.

The Wine eSword installer is a fine idea and I've found only one bug. Items on the list install fine and run great without a problem, and so does your font smoothing installation. A problem exists when you try to use the manual block to install additional modules that have been downloaded. An .exe files tries to install, but fails. I'll PM you my ideas on that problem. Don't want to hijack your thread. EDIT: Tried it again, and it works now.

Consider adding the attached files which will enable you to add e-Sword to wbar or add it to the desktop. The e-Sword.desktop for /usr/share/applications will identify locations that other files should be placed.

Cheers,
Jim

System: BFG NVIDIA Geforce 8400 GS 512MB, Asus P6T Motherboard, Intel core i7-920 (8MB Cache, 2.66 GHz), DDR3 3GB 1333MHz ram, Pioneer DVR-2910 DVD+-RW Dual Layer Burner, Realtek ALC1200 Audio, HP Photosmart C5280 All-in-One

[tazoc]

Hi Jim,
That's a good idea put e-Sword in Wbar! It just occurred to me that the e-Sword Installer places the .desktop file at /root/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/e-Sword/e-Sword.desktop, where no one can find it! Next release I'll change it to /usr/share/applications/wine, and have the Installer put it in the Wbar available plugins. There is an executable (that Wbar can use) /usr/local/bin/e-sword, (just e-sword works, too) and that is in the above .desktop file. There is also a copy at /root/Desktop/e-Sword.desktop, and an icon /usr/share/icons/e-sword.png.

So the files you attached work, or one could make a Wbar plugin with:
Wbar | Wbar-setup | New Icons
name: e-sword
icon: /usr/share/icons/e-sword.png
executable: e-sword
text for icon: e-Sword
click Create | Done | Choose Icons | Select e-sword on left pane | '+' to add icon | Apply

I don't have an HP scanner to test with, but the pet you attached must work in Lighthouse so I will also include it in the next release.
Thank you,
TazOC