oh yesss... .DEB-installer (Beta)

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#1 Post by MU » Sun 12 Mar 2006, 20:10

Beta-release available (if serious bugs are encountered, I will revert to Alphastatus):
http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?p=47165#47165

Note you need this Dillo-Dotpup, too:
http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=7473

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Not ready to release yet, but basically working

http://dotpups.de/pics/puppy/pupdeb01alpha.jpg

some more days, maybe next weekend...
Mark

bombayrockers · #2 Post by **bombayrockers** » Sun 12 Mar 2006, 20:34

cool, this was on my wishlist because I always wanted a debian based puppy.

superchook · #3 Post by **superchook** » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 07:42

If it were _Ubuntu_ based you would have to call it Playful Puppy

Nathan F · #4 Post by **Nathan F** » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 19:51

Really cool in a lot of ways.

For a while I considered rebuilding Grafpup using all Slackware packages. It would make upgrades incredibly easy but still give most of the benefits of the Puppy architechture. Of course you'll also have these same qualities based on Debian, plus access to the worlds largest software repository.

Nathan

bombayrockers · #5 Post by **bombayrockers** » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 21:34

link to a site that describes how to get dpkg and apt in non debian distros

http://www.supinfo-projects.com/en/2004 ... _dpkg_apt/

#6 Post by MU » Mon 13 Mar 2006, 22:20

Thanks.
Dpkg is in Puppy (undeb).
I think I won't use apt.
It would have the advantage of automatic dependency-resolution.

But in the past I sometimes have read, that this can be problematic, if you install additional Software without apt.
As Puppy is not based on APT, that might be quite dangerous?

For this reason my program is just a grafical interface for undeb, plus manual coded dependency-check (but not automatic resolution).
It also shall register to pupget.

This is basically how the new .PETs are intended to work, so this Tool is a test for .pet, too (using an already existing other Packageformat).

Unfortunately my notebook just died, the fan is broken, and I can't get a new one.
So I can run it just some minutes to backup files, then must break.

I currently installed Puppy 108 on my older Desktop-PC, with KDE 3.5.1 from Klhr (usr_more.sfs just uploads, will last 1-2 hours).

This interrupted me in coding

(But I coded something else, a tool written in C to iconify all Windows at once)

Mark

babbs · #7 Post by **babbs** » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 03:08

MU wrote: Unfortunately my notebook just died, the fan is broken, and I can't get a new one.
So I can run it just some minutes to backup files, then must break.

My fan died too, instead of spending US$200 to get it fixed, I bought a cooler pad. Its been working like a charm.

#8 Post by MU » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 03:19

What is a cooler pad?
Will google...
Ah I see, that might be a solution

Thanks, Mark

BarryK · #9 Post by **BarryK** » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 03:37

Mark, I'm excited by what you're doing too!

babbs · #10 Post by **babbs** » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 04:08

Mark,

Here are a few examples: http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=373

By using the cooler pad, my laptop stays cool enough so that the main fan doesn't think it needs to come on (bad things happen when it does).

Babbs

Nevermore · #11 Post by **Nevermore** » Wed 15 Mar 2006, 10:41

MU wrote:Thanks.
Dpkg is in Puppy (undeb).
I think I won't use apt.
It would have the advantage of automatic dependency-resolution.

Mark

i think apt would be a great item for puppy, most of the time with slackware i spent hours trying to find the dependancies of the package, while on debian was so damn easy with apt-get...however i must say if it happens to remove a package, apt-get doesn't do a good job at all, leaving ALL the libs and dependencies installed..

Nathan F · #12 Post by **Nathan F** » Wed 15 Mar 2006, 18:23

i think apt would be a great item for puppy, most of the time with slackware i spent hours trying to find the dependancies of the package

If you install Slapt Get that problem goes away, and it works like a charm. There are still the same issues with removeal, however.

I'm more excited about the sheer amount of extra proven software that would be available than I am about apt, plus the possibility of a much more atable and dependable development toolchain (although it's getting pretty darned good for me already in Puppy).

Nathan

Nevermore · #13 Post by **Nevermore** » Wed 15 Mar 2006, 19:02

i suppose there is a package for that!

BarryK · #14 Post by **BarryK** » Thu 16 Mar 2006, 00:42

Mark's new debian package installer may have to be targetted for puppy2, due
to the limitation in puppy 1.x that anything written to /lib, /var, /dev, /bin, /sbin, in fact anything other than /etc, /usr and /root, isn't saved, unless you have a full hard drive install.

#15 Post by MU » Thu 16 Mar 2006, 04:37

In the past, I converted many .DEBs manually to Dotpups.
In 90% they just needed /usr

Mark

BarryK · #16 Post by **BarryK** » Thu 16 Mar 2006, 13:39

Just throwing in another thought...

Full dependency checking would be soooo nice.
But since Puppy has its own base installation, I wonder if there is some way to
convert that to saisfy Debian's dependency checking?
I mean, if you want to install a certain .deb package, and the dependency info says that it needs certain packages preinstalled, which we don't have exactly, but we do have the equivalent, then we can fudge the check to return an okay. ...if you get what I mean.

#17 Post by MU » Thu 16 Mar 2006, 13:50

yes, but that would require an additional "database" (packages.available.txt , that lists all libXYZ.so with the corresponding packages.
My checker could lanch pupget then to offer the installation.

I'm not shure I can release a version this weekend, my megapup (that I just created because my notebook died, so I had to set up the old Desktop-PC) takes more time than I wanted (now I just rebuilt it to have a multilang OO2.02).

But maybe I will have succes for a alphaversion

Mark

BarryK · #18 Post by **BarryK** » Mon 27 Mar 2006, 08:00

Mark,
How far away is the alpha version?
It would be good to put into the next snapshot of puppy2, for something extra
to play with. I'm planning to upload that on 31st March.

#19 Post by MU » Mon 27 Mar 2006, 09:16

no, won't make it til then.
Beside making soime dotpups I had to do some webdesign, so no progress at moment.

Mark

#20 Post by MU » Tue 04 Apr 2006, 01:59

Ok, here is an Alpha-release for tests.
http://dotpups.de/tests/PB-Debian-installer.pup

It includes a testfile.deb that would require libpython2.3.so.1.0
So you can see how it reacts to missing dependencies (most people won't have that file).

Installed DEBs can be uninstalled with PupGet (I hope).
It does not create any menu-entries yet.
Best will be to test it with a fresh pup001.

Note this testrelease will start the ghttpd-webserver, as is is based on a CGI-extension of Puppybasic.
If you have another webserver running (webenv or apache), stop them first.

Mark

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