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Notorik · #41 Post by **Notorik** » Sat 07 Nov 2009, 23:27

Has anyone found a simple way to add Puppy to the new Ubuntu Grub? I am triple booting with Ubuntu Karmic Koala, Windows XP, and I did have Puppy on there. I did not attempt the online upgrade I wiped and did a clean install and it looks good to me. Grub found Windows XP and added it nicely. However when I logged on to the desktop there was a message telling me that I have over 300 bad sectors on my hard drive and it is failing.

I guess I will have to look into that now.

nitehawk · #42 Post by **nitehawk** » Sun 08 Nov 2009, 03:06

Lobster wrote:

It might be better to use Mint (has the missing commercial codec), though I can not confirm that.
It might also be worth consider using Xubuntu which requires less resources than the default Gnome.

I have Mint7 on my P4,..and used my Debian DVDs to add the LXDE desktop to it. Seems to run pretty fast, with low ram usage (but not as good as Puppy or Vector). I think it's about as fast,..or faster than Xubuntu.
Nortorik wrote:

Has anyone found a simple way to add Puppy to the new Ubuntu Grub?

I triple boot Puppy on several old computers by just booting Puppy from a floppy. For instance,...I have WXP & Mint7 (LXDE) dual-booted. Then I have Puppy on a partition (on the same hard drive) but I start it with a floppy. WXP and Mint7 don't even know Puppy is there.

d4p · #43 Post by **d4p** » Sun 08 Nov 2009, 04:45

Ubuntu 9.04 is still better then 9.10
I think, Grub2 is not a good idea, maybe look better but it takes a while just to get bootmenu.
http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7600/1.html

mawebb88 · #44 Post by **mawebb88** » Sun 08 Nov 2009, 09:53

I am very happy with Ubuntu 9.10 Netbook Remix running on my EeePC901. Some great Netbbook features e.g windows are nearly always maximised, menu building is easy, very fast boot and amazing shutdown speds, suspend etc. Had to grapple with GRUB2 but with the help of another thread on this forum now have my Puppy's booting fine as well. I would be ecstatic though if I could get my scanner (Epson Perfection V200 PHOTO) and my USB TV tuner (Pinnacle e330) to work in either a Puppy or Ubuntu. So far no joy so unfortunately I still have to boot XP but I keep trying.

Rgds Mike

davesurrey · #45 Post by **davesurrey** » Sun 08 Nov 2009, 11:47

Have a look at my message down the page here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=45961 to be able to set up to boot into Puppy with Grub2.
HTH
Cheers
Dave

Lobster · #46 Post by **Lobster** » Thu 12 Nov 2009, 06:11

Back in Puppy. after nearly two weeks of using Ubuntu part of the time.
Why?
Browser collapse (this I believe is due to Flash)

. . . uninstalling, reinstalling
trying Seamonkey, Flock, Konqueror browsers etc
and even attempting adding the flash .so file
from command line [shudder]

Enough

Back in a Browser with a full screen Flash 10
Back in Puppy 4.3.1
That works.

Works works for me.
I need my browser - at least.

DaveS · #47 Post by **DaveS** » Thu 12 Nov 2009, 06:30

Yup......... back to Puppy 4.3.1 here too, despite nice stable 9.10 USB install. Who needs the bloat?
ps after JWM Gnome feels so SLOW.............

otropogo · #48 Post by **otropogo** » Thu 12 Nov 2009, 14:33

Pardon me if this has been answered. I admit to not having read everything in the thread yet.

My primary frustration with Puppy has to do with security:

1. having to go online and do everything as root .

I know there's a fix for this, as I managed it once, long ago. But it was complicated, and I lost the description (is there a PET to fix this yet , I wonder?)

2. not being able to keep browser security current

3. messing up the system with pets that are inadequately documented, tested and/or supported.

4. being totally dependent on this forum to keep Puppy running.

I know from ample experience over the past year that posting for help anywhere else is just a waste of time.

Given the fragile economic/organizational structure of this community, it's a constant worry that the whole project may suddenly collapse at any time, leaving users without any support.

Secondarily, I dislike having to wait for a pet to be made of linux apps that interest me.

Are there any solutions to these problems?

otropogo · #49 Post by **otropogo** » Thu 12 Nov 2009, 14:36

Pardon me if this has been answered. I admit to not having read everything in the thread yet.

My primary frustration with Puppy has to do with security:

1. having to go online and do everything as root .

I know there's a fix for this, as I managed it once, long ago. But it was complicated, and I lost the description (is there a PET to fix this yet , I wonder?)

2. not being able to keep browser security current

3. messing up the system with pets that are inadequately documented, tested and/or supported.

4. being totally dependent on this forum to keep Puppy running.

I know from ample experience over the past year that posting for help anywhere else is just a waste of time.

Given the fragile economic/organizational structure of this community, it's a constant worry that the whole project may suddenly collapse at any time, leaving users without any support.

Secondarily, I dislike:

a. the limited hardware support

b. having to wait for a pet to be made of linux apps that interest me.

Are there any solutions to these problems?

otropogo · #50 Post by **otropogo** » Thu 12 Nov 2009, 14:37

duplicate post removed

gposil · #51 Post by **gposil** » Thu 12 Nov 2009, 15:11

In answer to your questions...

Q1. You don't have to go online as root...this has been covered quite extensively in the forum.

Q2. If you use Firefox or Opera they both auto update.

Q3. You can always talk to the contributor or developer of the pet.

Q4. That is the purpose of the forum.

Which hardware in particular does Puppy not support?
Maybe I can help you.

If there is not a pet available get a deb...or just ask.

Cheers

DaveS · #52 Post by **DaveS** » Thu 12 Nov 2009, 17:39

otropogo wrote:Pardon me if this has been answered. I admit to not having read everything in the thread yet.

My primary frustration with Puppy has to do with security:

1. having to go online and do everything as root .

I know there's a fix for this, as I managed it once, long ago. But it was complicated, and I lost the description (is there a PET to fix this yet , I wonder?)

2. not being able to keep browser security current

3. messing up the system with pets that are inadequately documented, tested and/or supported.

4. being totally dependent on this forum to keep Puppy running.

I know from ample experience over the past year that posting for help anywhere else is just a waste of time.

Given the fragile economic/organizational structure of this community, it's a constant worry that the whole project may suddenly collapse at any time, leaving users without any support.

Secondarily, I dislike:

a. the limited hardware support

b. having to wait for a pet to be made of linux apps that interest me.

Are there any solutions to these problems?

I guess Puppy just aint for everybody.........

otropogo · #53 Post by **otropogo** » Fri 13 Nov 2009, 04:37

gposil wrote:In answer to your questions...

Q1. You don't have to go online as root...this has been covered quite extensively in the forum.

not very helpful...

Q2. If you use Firefox or Opera they both auto update.

OK. What about Seamonkey? It asks if I want to update regularly. Is that a no-no?

Q3. You can always talk to the contributor or developer of the pet.

And they'll be willing and able to fix whatever is wrong ? Why don't I just call the tooth fairy?

Q4. That is the purpose of the forum.

I guess that point was too complex for you to understand?

Which hardware in particular does Puppy not support?
Maybe I can help you.

You can cut your teeth on the LS-120 Superfloppy if you like. Or, if you'd like something more cutting edge, the hama 35-in-one USB flash card reader.

If there is not a pet available get a deb...or just ask.

get a deb? So any deb will work in any Puppy Linux, or is there more to it?

gposil · #54 Post by **gposil** » Fri 13 Nov 2009, 06:00

Q1...run browser as non-root

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/posting.php?p=353755

Q2...Don't know about older Seamonkey(have not used it), but version2 can be set to auto update...

Q3...Yes the vast majority of Puppy developers and contributors would help you out without a problem.

Q4...makes no sense really ...there are many thousands of Puppy users who never venture to the forum, and inexplicably their Puppies just keep working...

As for the LS-120, most modern kernels don't even ship with a module for it any more....I had an old copy of Redhat 6.2 (1998 I think) they worked in that. I do know for certain that they work in Debian Lenny 5.0.1, i've used them in Lenny, but they will not work if you update the Lenny kernel.

As for the HAMA 35 in 1...it just should work, I have a HAMA Traveldrive 20in1 and it works without any problems at all...There maybe other issues....

With regard to debs and Puppy, all the Woof built Puppies i.e Dpup, Upup, Ppup can use Debian/Ubuntu repositories and certainly in Dpup, the vast majority work without too much drama, if any....

Hope that helps

linuxcbon · #55 Post by **linuxcbon** » Fri 13 Nov 2009, 06:58

otropogo wrote:not very helpful...
And they'll be willing and able to fix whatever is wrong ? Why don't I just call the tooth fairy?
I guess that point was too complex for you to understand?

I understand now why you were banned from the forum.
You talk arrogantly like alienjeff, you give a bad image of german people.

eden6000 · #56 Post by **eden6000** » Fri 13 Nov 2009, 07:42

Totally agree with you, Linuxcbon...there is absolutely no need to have such an arrogant behaviour...this community is all volunteer-based, there is no economical return, everyone contributes for the pleasure to do something useful for him, or for others...I think this MUST be and remain the spirit that drives it.

Notorik · #57 Post by **Notorik** » Fri 13 Nov 2009, 11:33

He was banned? Why? Yeah he was obnoxious, ill-informed, and probably just lazy (a 2 second search would have found Multiuser Puppy), but I don't understand why he was banned...

bugman · #58 Post by **bugman** » Fri 13 Nov 2009, 13:04

Notorik wrote:He was banned? Why? Yeah he was obnoxious, ill-informed, and probably just lazy (a 2 second search would have found Multiuser Puppy), but I don't understand why he was banned...

there is a thread somewhere about it

i don't understand either, but he must have gone above and beyond the call of, say, puppyite...

there once was a person of indeterminate gender and species [and planet of origin] here called shr**m*b** who i think was banned for, well, being batshit crazy [and inflicting it on others]

so it can happen...

[or maybe the mothership came back for him/her?]

otropogo · #59 Post by **otropogo** » Fri 13 Nov 2009, 16:32

Ah yes, ban the messenger...

If you can't offer an informed, or even an intelligent response to a question - launch an ad hominem attack on the person who asked it.

A common strategy of Puppy zealots, and probably the most important reason Puppy hasn't made more technical progress or become more popular.

How do you expect to find out what's going wrong, if you dump on anyone who reports a problem that doesn't have an obvious solution?

otropogo · #60 Post by **otropogo** » Fri 13 Nov 2009, 17:03

gposil wrote:Q1...run browser as non-root

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/posting.php?p=353755
your URL returns an error page that says only:

"no post mode specified"

Q2...Don't know about older Seamonkey(have not used it), but version2 can be set to auto update...
The default browser in the current Puppy 4.3.1 is Seamonkey 1.1.18

Q3...Yes the vast majority of Puppy developers and contributors would help you out without a problem.
OK. You just don't get it...

Q4...makes no sense really ...there are many thousands of Puppy users who never venture to the forum, and inexplicably their Puppies just keep working...
And do you have some way of counting the number of Puppy users whose systems DIDN'T keep working, and who went to another distro or back to Windows?

In fact, I wonder how you know about these thousands whose "Puppies just keep working..." although they never venture onto the forum?

As for the LS-120, most modern kernels don't even ship with a module for it any more....I had an old copy of Redhat 6.2 (1998 I think) they worked in that. I do know for certain that they work in Debian Lenny 5.0.1, i've used them in Lenny, but they will not work if you update the Lenny kernel.
Well then, why does the Puppy Universal Installer still offer installation to LS-120?

As for the HAMA 35 in 1...it just should work, I have a HAMA Traveldrive 20in1 and it works without any problems at all...There maybe other issues....
Excuses, excuses... You're batting ZERO.

Update: further testing shows you may have guessed right about the hama USB reader . But I've got lots of other hardware support issues on my list:

serial (RS232) mouse
Brother MFC 8840D scanner, printer, etc.(not the only one)
PCMCIA-SCSI host adapter
PCI SCSI adapters
Pivoting monitors
... and probably several more I've long forgotten.

With regard to debs and Puppy, all the Woof built Puppies i.e Dpup, Upup, Ppup can use Debian/Ubuntu repositories and certainly in Dpup, the vast majority work without too much drama, if any....

Hey, I'm talking about Puppy Linux, and you're giving me advice that applies only to certain derivative versions.

You've made my point as to the perils of forum support.

Hope that helps

I don't see how...

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